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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
09/04/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11218
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  • Howard, John Winston
9 April 1999 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP TELEVISION INTERVIEW WITH MIKE MUNROE A CURRENT AFFAIR, CHANNEL NINE

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MUNROE:

Prime Minister, thanks for your time. If we could just start with

drugs firstly. What's the message you want to send drug addicts,

to give up or to go to jail?

PRIME MINISTER:

Take treatment. And what we're saying to people is that, isn't

it better to take treatment than run the risk of being caught up in

the criminal justice system. That's the alternative we're

offering people.

MUNROE:

So how do you make treatment compulsory?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, what you basically say is, the police apprehend somebody and

rather than sending them off to be charged, they send them off for

assessment and the assessment panel say you should undertake such

and such a treatment. And the person is given the option – undertake

that treatment or alternatively run the risk of being caught up in

the criminal justice system. Now, in most cases people will opt for

the treatment. They won't be forced to take the treatment but

it will certainly be a more attractive option.

MUNROE:

The Leader of the Opposition says that that's just political

babble when it comes to a chronic drug addict who won't be able

to decide, really, what he or she wants to do.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, some people won't, but a lot will. And a lot will be guided

by their families, a lot will be guided by their friends. We calculate

that this initiative will make available 300,000 treatment places

over a period of four years. On its own it's not going to solve

the problem, and it's easy to score points off it if you want

to be negative, but it is another contribution to fighting a very

difficult problem.

MUNROE:

Now, if treatment is better than punishment, as you've indicated,

why then did you support the expulsion of those young girls at the

private college who were caught smoking marijuana? Why not assess

them, treat them?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh, for a very simple reason. The rules of the school forbade the

use of drugs and I applaud any school that enforces its rules. I'm

not running around saying that every single person who's ever

used drugs should be punished. And I am saying that if you're

going to inculcate an attitude of not tolerating drugs in schools

– when a school's rules say ‘no drugs' and somebody

defies those rules the school has got a right to take action and I

support that and I think most parents watching this programme would

agree with me.

MUNROE:

And set the example.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes.

MUNROE:

Now, not all State leaders support you on your zero tolerance policy.

Will any of the new money be withheld if State leaders do not fully

come on board with the Commonwealth?

PRIME MINISTER:

Look, put aside nomenclature like ‘zero tolerance.' That's

an argument about words. This diversionary system that we're

arguing has got nothing to do with whether you zero tolerance or some

other description. What we're going to do is to fund additional

treatment places. We'll work with the States, use their police

forces apprehending people, send them off for assessment. When the

people are assessed they have the option of being treated or caught

up in the criminal justice system. The great bulk of those people

will opt for the treatment. Many of them will be improved, a lot will

be rehabilitated. Now, isn't that better than what we've

got at the moment.

MUNROE:

And just on to the GST, Prime Minister. Your own Treasury official

dropped a bombshell yesterday saying that the 1.5 per cent over inflation

extra for pensioners will eventually be eroded.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, he didn't say that.

MUNROE:

Eroded in time, I think he said.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, no, look, there was no bombshell dropped. Look, the situation

here is that we promised that every pensioner would have his pension

increased by the cost of living plus at least 1.5 per cent, at least

1.5 per cent. Now, nothing that was said yesterday alters that situation.

We also have a situation where every pensioner is guaranteed 25 per

cent of male average weekly earnings. Now if, as a result of that,

the pensioners end up even better off, why should people complain.

MUNROE:

And you don't think price rises will erode that buffer zone?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, price rises can't because the price rises drive the CPI and

our guarantee is that you'll always be 1.5 per cent ahead of

the CPI.

MUNROE:

You only have three months to get it through before the Democrats

take power in the Senate. Are you still as optimistic of getting it

through?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I'm more optimistic today because you've had every

government in Australia effectively saying to the Senate, get on with

it. I mean, when you get Bob Carr, Labor, Peter Beattie, Labor, Jim

Bacon, Labor, Jeff Kennett, Liberal, Richard Court, Liberal, John

Olsen, Liberal, all signing up and saying this is the best financial

deal the States have ever had, the best since World War II, that sends

a very strong message to the Senate which, after all, is meant to

be a States' House. I mean, you've now got the Federal Government,

you've got the governments of the States and Territories, more

importantly you've got the verdict of the Australian people last

October, and all of those are saying to the Senate: get on with it,

let's implement this tax plan. The Australian people supported

it, the Premiers have endorsed it, they want it because their State

will be better off. Let's get on with it and go onto something

else.

MUNROE:

And do you still need Senator Brian Harradine or has Senator Colston

come around a little?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, what Senator Colston ultimately does is his decision as is Senator

Harradine's. Senator Colston made representations to us today

about the deal for Queensland and that played a part in the decision

we made. We reached a compromise with the Queensland Premier and I

acknowledge that. In the end they'll make up their own minds.

Obviously we need one of them at least with the other abstaining or

both of them voting for us in order to get the plan through and I

hope that will happen. But I also say to the Labor Party and the Democrats,

listen to the public, listen to the Premiers. They can't all

be wrong. I say to Kim Beazley, Bob Carr has just won an election,

he is the most successful Labor leader in the nation and he signed

up today. Peter Beattie has just won an election. They know the pulse

of their people and their people are saying, get on with it let's

not spend the rest of our lives arguing over the GST.

MUNROE:

You're pretty chuffed about today's Premiers' Conference.

PRIME MINISTER:

I am. It's the best Premiers' Conference I have been to

for 20 years ever in my political life because it's done something

of lasting value for the future of the Australian federation. It's

given the federation a new hope and a new opportunity for a new century

and I am chuffed about it and I am very proud of what the Government

has been able to achieve and what the Treasurer and I together have

been able to achieve.

MUNROE:

Mr Howard, just briefly on the tragedy in Kosovo and the refugees.

Given that the first refugees already arrive late next week and how

rushed it has been for everybody, do you have any second thoughts

about them coming?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, I don't, none at all. It was always going to be rushed because

it was an unexpected emergency situation. And the army and the immigration

authorities have responded magnificently. I don't have any second

thoughts at all, not at all.

MUNROE:

And do you think we that we could be actually helping Milosevic with

this ethnic cleansing by bringing them here?

PRIME MINISTER:

We would run the risk of doing that if we had straight away said they

were going to be able to remain here permanently and there was no

prospect of them ever going back. But we are human beings, we are

a compassionate nation. We could not have sat on our hands in the

face of that enormous mountain of human misery. It would have shamed

us if we had have done so.

MUNROE:

And yet your Immigration Minister and Foreign Minister wanted to do

so.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, no, that's not right. All they were doing was giving an immediate

response within then current policy. And, I mean, be fair. This first

became a possibility early Monday morning, by lunchtime Tuesday we

had made a decision to take 4,000. You can't act any more quickly

than that. And all Philip was doing was responding within current

policy and he is a magnificent Immigration Minister and he has my

total support.

MUNROE:

Fair enough, fair enough. So is your bottom line that the Kosovo refugees

will definitely be going back?

PRIME MINISTER:

We want them to go back. We hope they will go back, we hope conditions

are restored so they can go back. We are obviously not going to push

them into the sea at the end of three or six months. We are a compassionate

people but we want maximum pressure put on Milosevic so that they

can go back and that's our goal.

MUNROE:

And as you may know the two CARE Australia aid workers have been found.

Yugoslavia says they know they have them. Are we in a position to

demand their release?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, in a situation like this you try everything. You ask, you demand,

you request, you get people to intercede on your behalf. And I can

say to their families if they are watching tonight that we care about

them and we are trying very hard using every means that are at our

disposal to get them back and along with you we pray that they'll

be safely returned.

MUNROE:

Prime Minister, thanks very much for your time and we appreciate it.

PRIME MINISTER:

Thank you.

[ends]

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