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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
09/04/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11217
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP INTERVIEW WITH NEIL MITCHELL – RADIO 3AW

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MITCHELL:

On the line in our Canberra studio, facing an extraordinarily busy

day, the Prime Minister, Mr John Howard. Good morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

Hello, Neil. I'm very pleased to hear what you're going

to do over the next couple of weeks. I wish you luck. I think it's

probably the best demonstration of the journalistic professionalism

that you should be doing something like that. I think many Australian

journalists in both the print and the electronic media are doing an

outstanding job at the present time with the reports they're

sending back from the border that I wanted to take the opportunity

occasioned by what you said of expressing my admiration for the work

that those journalists are doing. It's not easy. It's dangerous.

But they're there and they're there in large numbers. And

they're bringing to Australian viewers Australian reports of

these disastrous events so that we don't have to rely exclusively

on American or British television and radio people, although they're

doing a very good job too but I think it's always good to have

our own reporters on the ground.

MITCHELL:

Well yes, I agree. There are dozens of Australian aid workers in this

area too. I mean, two of them are still missing.

PRIME MINISTER:

They are.

MITCHELL:

I'm meeting at least five of the aid workers from Skopje with

a bit of luck. Is there any message I should take?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, yes. I want to say that all of the Australian people respect

very much what they're doing. It's difficult, distressing,

dangerous work. For people to put their lives on the line, which clearly

is involved here, to help suffering humanity is a great thing to do.

And they have the respect and the admiration of the people of Australia

for the work that they're doing and I'm very proud of them

and I know that all Australians are very proud of the humanitarian

task that they're undertaking.

MITCHELL:

Do we know yet when the refugees will arrive in this country?

PRIME MINISTER:

The latest information I had a few moments ago when I spoke to the

Immigration Minister was possibly as early as late next week. Philip

Ruddock will be making a detailed statement around midday today and

I'll be briefing the Premiers on the arrangements. But they have

been fairly carefully prepared now. The people will all come in to

a reception area probably near Holsworthy in Sydney and then they

will be distributed to different parts of Australia. There will be

clearance procedures and health checks carried out at their point

of first arrival. And we have been able to secure arrangements in

a variety of facilities and there aren't any that can be categorised

as completely remote. Some are a little further from population centres

than others but by and large any reasonable person will be very satisfied

with the arrangements that have been made. And I want to thank the

Immigration Department. I want to thank the Defence Force. I want

to thank the people in Emergency Australia. And I want to thank Philip

Ruddock for the speedy way in which they've reacted. I mean,

remember it was only last Monday morning that the world first got

word that NATO countries were going to take refugees and here I am,

as Prime Minister of Australia, talking on Friday morning about the

likelihood of the first batch arriving late next week. Now, that's

not bad. And I thank all of those people who have been responsible

for organising the Australian response once the Government's

decision to take 4,000 people was made.

MITCHELL:

Will they be cut in all States, I mean, is there likely to be some

in Victoria as well?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh yes, yes. There will be some in Victoria. There will be some in

Tasmania. I think there will be people going to all States. I had

the list read to me very quickly this morning and my recollection

is certainly there are some in Victoria, yes.

MITCHELL:

The reports today – this could cost the Australian people $15

million. Do you know what it will cost?

PRIME MINISTER:

At the moment no. It will obviously cost us some money. The airlift

alone, if you bring out 4,000, you're looking at $4 million to

$5 million and then you're looking at accommodation, food, basic

medical, other necessities of life. So you are looking at a significant

amount of money. And, of course, over and above that we are giving

$6 million in aid to various organisations including CARE, the organisation

you mentioned a moment ago. It's not a small amount but it's

justified. It's a huge tragedy and a country like Australia must

be warm-hearted and must be generous and we are both.

MITCHELL:

We still don't know what's going to happen, do we? Three

months time, they might have to stay on. We just don't know.

This looks like being a long war.

PRIME MINISTER:

It could be, Neil. You're right. I don't know where it's

going to end. I'd be less than frank with the Australian people

if I pretended that I did. What I say to them is that we want to provide

these people with a safe haven and protection and as much security

as we can give until we see how things unfold. We don't want

them to be given permanent residence. We want them to be here on a

temporary visa basis because the idea and the hope is that they will

ultimately return to their own homes in Kosovo. Now, we don't

know how the military engagement is going to unfold. It's very

hard for me to predict and I don't think President Clinton knows.

I don't think the other NATO heads of government know. But in

the meantime we can play our part, although we are a long way away

and we're not part of NATO but we are a nation that has always

been open-hearted to people who've been expelled from their own

homelands. And, once again, the Australian tradition of helping people

in those circumstances has asserted itself.

MITCHELL:

Is there a possibility that some will have to be offered permanent

residence, for example, we could have children born here in that time?

PRIME MINISTER:

Neil, I can understand that question being asked. All I would be doing

if I responded would be to be speculating. At the moment we're

saying for an initial period of three months. Those visas, special

visas, are obviously renewable at the instance of the Minister, we

are clearly not going to push people out into the sea. You can understand

that. We're not going to treat them other than humanely and compassionately

but I don't want to be speculating about any lengths of extensions

after three months. We have a diplomatic position to maintain as well

as political support for what NATO is doing and we want to maintain

the maximum pressure that we can and the NATO countries can on Milosevic.

And if you start signalling, at this point, that you might do this

or do that you weaken the pressure that is being maintained on him.

MITCHELL:

Do you recall from what you've been told where in Victoria the

refugees will be housed?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I think Point Cook was a name that was mentioned but there were

a number of names mentioned and I think it might be better if I leave

that to Philip Ruddock to announce further.

MITCHELL:

Is it correct that Australia has privately criticised the NATO action

with the United States, raised some objections with the United States?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, not criticised. No no. I'm certainly not aware of that.

MITCHELL:

Has it been raised privately?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I've not have any personal discussions with the President,

and I'm not aware of any personal exchanges. Bear in mind that

we have not been asked to provide any military assistance, and we're

not providing and military assistance. This is a NATO action and Australia

is not part of NATO. It's a NATO responsibility. So the question

of military involvement has not arisen.

MITCHELL:

While the focus is on the Balkans, we must be increasingly uneasy

about Timor. We've got claims of a massacre, Dili as many as,

well the estimates are 5...between 5 and 25 perhaps more people

massacred. Are you becoming concerned, more concerned about East Timor?

PRIME MINISTER:

I've been concerned about East Timor now for quite a long time,

and you'll remember that before Christmas we urged the Indonesian

Government to change its policy and we think those urgings had an

impact. It's a difficult situation. We need the involvement of

Indonesia, we need the involvement of the United Nations, we need

the involvement of Portugal in a peaceful transition either to autonomy,

ultimately leading to independence or to independence first up. But

the tensions inside Timor are great and it is disturbing. That is

why I'm not making any general in-principle commitments of Australian

involvement. I will never agree to a situation where Australian people,

personnel, military or otherwise, are exposed to unreasonable levels

of danger. But clearly Australia has a big role to play in Timor and

the rest of the world will look to Australia to discharge its responsibility.

But equally we would expect if a number of nations have got to be

involved in some kind of transitional arrangement we would hope that

there'd be assistance forthcoming from some of the countries

in Europe other than Portugal.

MITCHELL:

Mr Howard, you've got the Premiers' Conference today, and

various things there. The GST, now the argument being put, and I know

by Treasury officials it seems, and the modelling, that pensioners

will not be protected from the effect of the GST. As I said there's

a simple way of addressing this. Do you stand by the guarantee nobody

will be worse off other than tax cheats.

PRIME MINISTER:

The guarantee I gave stands completely. See what we said about pensioners

was that they would always be 1.5% better off than the ordinary cost

of living adjustments. Now that remains. Nothing that was said yesterday

alters that in any way. Nothing at all.

MITCHELL:

But if there are price rises and not wage rises surely it catches

up with them. That seems to be the modelling argument....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well if over time you have a situation where because of wage rises

being greater than price rises pensioners are even better off. They

have even higher pensions. Well that doesn't in any way undercut

the promise that we made that they would always be at least the CPI

plus 1.5%.

MITCHELL:

Well what about a erosion? I mean there is the possibility of erosion

as your very own modelling points out.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well that won't erode. I mean the pension....the CPI increases

plus 1.5% will not erode, will not erode. And nothing that was said

yesterday suggested that. It didn't suggest it all. And there

was nothing particularly new about what was said yesterday.

MITCHELL:

But the way I read it and the way I've read is that it is not

that. The way I read it is that the modelling shows that the modelling

show the possibility of the erosion of the 1.5%. So in fact [inaudible]

so pensioners lose their benefit.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the only way your 1.5% can erode is if in some way over a period

of time the 1.5% becomes 1.25% or 1% or 0.5%. Well that's not

going to happen because it will be legislated and we have said all

along that that will be the case.

MITCHELL:

Okay. So as I say the simple bottom line....

PRIME MINISTER:

The guarantee that I gave, the promise that I made to pensioners in

the election campaign was that your pension would always be CPI plus

1.5%. In other words in real terms 1.5% ahead of the CPI adjustment.

MITCHELL:

Okay. So in simple terms....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well that's as simple as I can put it.

MITCHELL:

But putting it simply, the guarantee that nobody would be worse off

under a GST other than tax cheats.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes. That remains our position and indeed the modelling that was put,

the modelling that was put by.....I'm sorry, not the modelling.

The evidence, the written evidence that was given by Professor Warren

and by Ms Harding yesterday said that except in extreme cases they

could not identify people who were going to be worse off. In other

words they could not identify losers under plausible assumptions.

That was actually the language that was used.

MITCHELL:

Isn't Professor Harding arguing that the 1.5% guarantee sort

of clashes with the pegging of pensions at 25% of male average earnings?

And if it's pegged it can be eroded.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I don't know how it can be eroded if it's always 1.5%.

I mean is it being suggested that if as a consequence of the male

average weekly earnings peg, the pension rises at a greater rate than

our guarantee, surely in those circumstances pensioners are not going

to be worse off.

MITCHELL:

The States today and the meeting....well I mean that's a simple

point isn't it. The guarantee from you that pensioners won't

be worse off.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yeah. The guarantee that we gave at the election was that they would

get the CPI adjustment plus always they'd be at least 1.5% ahead

over and above the price impact of the GST.

MITCHELL:

The other aspect of the GST is the States wanting extra money, and

some saying that they might not support the GST. We will get the extra

money?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I'll be going to meet them in about ten minutes, and you

always have a bit of this before a Premiers' Conference. Life

would be dull at a Premiers' Conference without it I can tell

you but in the medium to longer term the GST is a huge bonanza for

the States. Any State that turns its back on this tax package is letting

down the interests of the people in that State because after a few

years the States of Australia, all of them, will be hundreds and then

several....hundreds of millions and then several billion dollars

better off because the GST revenue that they are going to get will

rise at a much faster rate and build at a much faster rate than the

existing guarantee under the financial agreement. So, I can't

for the life of me believe that in his or her right mind any Premier

of Australia would turn their back on this offer because it's

much better. And I say to their constituents, if any of your Premiers

are trying to bring this plan down they are not serving you well.

MITCHELL:

Mr Howard, if you don't mind we'll take a couple of quick

calls. There's a few pensioners calling through who are concerned

about what they have read about the GST, particularly today. Hello

Valerie.

CALLER:

Hello Neil, how are you?

MITCHELL:

Go ahead.

CALLER:

Mr Howard, What the hell do you think the pension is all about. My

husband and I have nothing behind us, we are paying $750 a month rent.

We won't be able to exist with the GST. I wish you would just

wake up to yourself.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Valerie doesn't like the GST and I understand that but

I don't think her submission, and I respect it, but I disagree

with it and I reject it, does, you know, really bears upon the point

that you were raising.

MITCHELL:

Doris, hello.

CALLER:

Yes. Mr Howard, I'd like to ask you one little question. I am

a part pensioner, I get a little bit of superannuation. I just fall

into a tax bracket and I am paying tax but what gets me, I live in

a retirement village, every time we get a pension rise our maintenance

fees go up. Now, when is that going to stop? Is the sky the limit?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, that's not directly related to the GST and without knowing

all of the circumstances and the understandings that you have in relation

to your retirement village I can't say whether it's fair

or unfair. I can tell you that you'll get a tax benefit from

our plan, you'll get, if you are not paying any tax now, you'll

have a greater buffer against paying tax because the threshold will

go up, you will get a pension adjustment in the manner that I described

earlier. There will also be some relief for the earning limits if

you are over the age of 60 and you have some you'll get a savings

compensation benefit depending on how much savings you have. So there

are quite a number of other benefits that you will get and you will

certainly not be worse off.

MITCHELL:

Mr Howard, I know you have to get away, just quickly the drugs issue

which I believe you are going to discuss this afternoon, can you tell

us specifically what will be put to the Premiers?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, what I am going to put is a plan which basically involves the

compulsory diversion of people into treatment rather than them possibly

falling into the criminal justice system. It will not be unlike the

diversion approach that is being trialed in Victoria. There are many

elements of that that I think are very good. It will not be on all

fores with the drug court system that is operating in New South Wales.

Both of those....

MITCHELL:

This would be for users would it rather than, well obviously not sellers....

PRIME MINISTER:

No, obviously. I mean, the whole idea is there are a very large number

of people who have a problem. They may technically be in breach of

the law. It is clearly not desirable that those people go to jail,

it is clearly desirable though that they get treatment. And I think

most people would feel that if they were in different ways compelled

to have treatment as an alternative to them slipping into the criminal

justice system that would be an extremely good outcome. And the Commonwealth

is prepared to make quite a bit of money available to the States over

and above the $290 million that we have already made available in

the last couple of years and I'll be announcing the full details

of this to the Premiers early this afternoon. But I stress that what

I am putting on the table is over and above the $290 million we have

already put in. And it will not only cover the compulsory diversion

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