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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
24/03/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11115
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
Wednesday 24 March 1999 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH PILKINGTON AND MCCLUSKY 5AA

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PILKINGTON:

Prime Minister good morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

Good morning.

MCCLUSKY:

How are you Mr Howard? Good morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

I'm very well.

MCCLUSKY:

Mr Howard, we were talking this morning about the preamble and I was

saying to Pilko that I was amazed at the objection to using ‘mateship'.

My argument is that mateship is one of those characteristics and qualities

that is near and dear to the heart of every Australian male or female.

And I cannot for the life of me believe these people who are going

on about it. What was your reaction?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well my reaction's exactly the same. It is not, whatever its

origins, it is not now an exclusively male concept or term. It describes

looking after our mates, our friends, our fellow Australians in adversity.

It conjures up all of the egalitarian spirit which is distinctive

of Australians. It not only recalls the fact that Australian soldiers

in captivity survived better in prisoner of war camps than many others

because they helped each other, but it also reminds us that when we

have a disaster, we have a bush fire, we have a landslide which buries

a ski lodge we will get together and help each other.

MCCLUSKY:

Mr Howard, this might be a silly question. Do we need to have a preamble

to a Constitution?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think it would be good if only because the existing document makes

absolutely no reference at all to the indigenous people. None at all.

And the existing preamble which is really part of the British act

of Parliament which established the Australian Constitution, whilst

appropriate for the time, makes no reference to Aborigines, it makes

no reference to the contemporary values of the Australian community

and it plainly...we do in those circumstances need a new preamble.

Now some people will argue not of course. And if they feel that way

they can vote ‘no'. It's a free country.

MCCLUSKY:

That's exactly right.

PRIME MINISTER:

But if you're going to write a preamble you've got to try

and say something about what the country believes in and stands for

and I do believe that the objection to mateship is just so petty and

narrowly based, and also misunderstands the mood and temper of Australians.

PILKINGTON:

Prime Minister, was there any consideration given to sitting down

maybe with the Democrats and with perhaps Kim Beazley or somebody

from the Labor Party, and all parties sitting down and trying to thrash

out a preamble?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I have sent the preamble we've drafted to Mr Beazley for

comment, and I've sent it to the Democrats for comment, and I've

asked them to send me their comments by the 30th of April.

It is a draft. Now plainly you can't write something like that

as a committee because people approach it from a different perspective.

And I will have a look at their comments. And I've said that.

PILKINGTON:

So you are willing to change, perhaps a few little things in it...?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I'll see what people have got to say. If I were absolutely

immoveable on every word I wouldn't have described it as a draft.

But it is the responsibility of the Government today to sort of know

its own mind, and we know our own mind on this. We've put something

out. I'm not only interested in Mr Beazley's reaction. I'm

also interested in the reaction of your listeners, or the reaction

of Australians generally. This idea that things like this are a matter

of negotiation between political parties is not right. This is something

that belongs to the entire community. I really want to know what people

think about it.

MCCLUSKY:

Certainly right. Mr Howard, I know that obviously the words were chosen

with great care and that the things that you're trying to convey.

Have you been surprised that people have literally sat down with a

microscope and a scalpel and said, because I read the, who was it,

the Premier of Tassie had a go at you for talking about, what was

the....

PRIME MINISTER:

Our vast island continent.

MCCLUSKY:

Our vast island continent. I thought well we all know that includes

the whole country.

PRIME MINISTER:

Of course I do. No, that doesn't surprise me at all because people,

what people do is they, people like Premiers and people who sort of

have a particular axe to grind will look at it from that kind of political

vantage point rather than thinking how an average Australian would

relate. Now the average Australian, whether that person lives in South

Australia or Tasmania, when you say our vast island continent they

know you are referring to the whole country.

PILKINGTON:

Prime Minister, you've got to be careful though that the Tasmanian

Premier doesn't get to Brian Harradine.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I've sent the, you know, Brian Harradine will no doubt let

me know his views. I would imagine that Brian would understand that

when you say "our vast island continent", that is what you

are referring to. You are referring to the whole place. But once again

I'll be interested to see what the people in Tasmania think.

I'll be interested to know what your listeners are thinking and

what listeners to other stations and in other States are thinking.

PILKINGTON:

Prime Minister, at Cabinet level was there much discussion about it?

PRIME MINISTER:

There was a bit. These are things that everybody really has a view

on and every view is different. Your style of expression is different

from mine. Mine is different in turn from that of some of my colleagues.

And you can say in a thousand different ways the same thing, and you

can commit yourself to the same set of values in a thousand different

ways. One of the things I was anxious to do was to have it not sound

like preambles normally sound. And what amazes me about the reaction

of some people in the Labor Party is that they've immediately

sort of run off to the American Constitution and said because it doesn't

sound like that it's no good. I mean we really have to be a little

less derivative and be a little less dependent and understand that

we're writing something for the Australian people. Not for Americans,

or Englishmen, or anybody else. We're writing something for the

Australian people which should express in the language of the time,

the values of the time, but in a way that recognises our history and

also allows for the possibility that it will still be relevant in

50 or 100 years time. But, I mean, what the American Constitution

talks about we the people in a more perfect union and so forth. Now

that was nice then. It was appropriate for them. Surely we can have

something of our own.

MCCLUSKY:

Prime Minister, I mean I must say, if nothing else it has turned our

eyes towards the Constitution. I've never read the preamble of

our Constitution as it stands and at least, if nothing else we've

now got a community of the nation actually debating what we do want.

I appreciate your time. We know we dragged you out of a meeting. But

thank you for taking some time to speak with us.

PRIME MINISTER:

Okay.

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