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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
23/06/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11106
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP DOORSTOP INTERVIEW, PARLIAMENT HOUSE

Subjects: Warren Entsch; tax package; family policy

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JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, is Warren Entsch safe on the frontbench?

PRIME MINISTER:

Warren Entsch has not done anything wrong. I've had a very careful

look at this. He was doing the right thing by his constituents. He

declared his ownership of his land both to me and to the register.

And if you take a common-sense approach to the conflict of interest

principle it doesn't arise because the possible benefit he might

get if a whole lot of things happen is very remote because it would

depend upon a whole lot of decisions being taken by a number of agencies

over which he's got no control. And on top of that of course

any gain might be, would be enjoyed in common with potentially hundreds

of other people in the district. I mean what the Labor Party is asking

us to accept is that a regional member who has an asset in the electorate

he represents can't argue in favour of some kind of policy change

by government that could potentially in the long term enhance the

value not only of his land but also of the land of a lot of other

people in that district. Now that is ridiculous and it fails the test,

the common-sense test. It fails the pub test. It's not reasonable.

It lacks commonsense.

JOURNALIST:

[inaudible]

PRIME MINISTER:

Look, if people believe nonsense then you can believe anything. But

there is no evidence of a conflict of interest in the sense in which

that is properly understood, where the gain is personal and peculiar

to the member or to the minister. It is akin to a member making a

representation for say a road to go through a particular part of a

country town which would lead to an enhancement of property values,

to flood mitigation funds. What Warren was doing was addressing a

serious environmental problem. The possibility of that bridge being

built has been around for years. He didn't disguise the fact

that he owned the property. Heavens above he was doing his job as

the local member. I've had a very careful look at this and I

think to argue that this is in the properly understood sense of the

word a conflict of interest is just crazy.

JOURNALIST:

But don't you think that the public would be suspicious about

some of these activities in talking up the development?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, they shouldn't be if they understand the facts. I mean if

they're not given the facts correctly anybody can be suspicious

of anything. But when you look at the facts Louise, he has not sought

to secure a personal individual gain for himself. What he did was

the sort of thing that any energetic local member would do. I mean

the environmental degradation of this land is very severe. It's

a problem that this land has suffered in common with land in coastal

areas of Australia for generations as the result of too much land

clearance. That's well known. The CSIRO report started I think

in 1995 when the former government was in office. I'm not, you

know, putting any special significance on that. But it had been around

for a long time and it wasn't unreasonable that the local people

should want the report released. They made approaches I understand

to the Queensland Labor minister responsible for either environmental

or development matters. Entsch had put his ownership on the register.

He bought this land at public auction, public auction. I mean I think

we are getting into the theatre of the absurd. And what you have here

is while we get on with governing a country reforming tax, reforming

environmental laws, tackling family policies, the Labor Party throws

mud. I mean we are into policy and reform and making Australia better

and stronger. The Labor Party throws mud. That is their only response.

They don't have a policy response to the GST, they don't

have a policy response on the environment. All they do is throw dirt.

JOURNALIST:

Can you understand that other ministers who lost there jobs though

might [inaudible]?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I look at each thing on the individual merits Aban and that's

my only response to that. I don't accept that at all. On the

merits, and I've looked at the merits, and as you can tell I've

carefully examined the circumstances of this. I didn't know anything

about it. Why should I? I don't carry everything around in my

head when I was asked about it yesterday. I said I would analyse it.

I have analaysed it. And I don't think on a common sense application

of the principles of conflict of interest there's an issue. He

was doing his job as a local member. He was doing it openly and fairly

and properly as a local member. Environmental degradation is a problem

in coastal areas of Australia. People have known this for years. This

talk about the bridge has been around for years. His land ownership

is on the public register. I don't know what the issue is about.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, Mr Kennett has launched another broadside against the GST

deal today. He says it's now the Democrats' tax system,

not yours. That it's too costly and that governments, whatever

there political persuasion will alter it because it's now a complicated

system.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well he's said all that before and I don't agree with him.

I think he's being negative and backward looking, but there's

nothing I can do about it and I'm untroubled by it because the

legislation is going to go through and the Australian people will

see the enormous benefits of tax reform. It's 85 to 90 per cent

of what we wanted and what he supported at the last election. So I

don't think his attack has any real substance and I'm quite

untroubled by it.

JOURNALIST:

Senator Harradine's just welcomed your package. How much input

did he have [inaudible]?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well he didn't have any specific input of which I am aware. But

you've got to remember that a lot of people have similar views

on a lot of aspects of family policy. And there's a strange notion

around this building that when anything is done in this area, if Brian

happens to agree with it then it was his idea. There are a number

of us who independently have arrived at the same conclusion on a number

of issues. Not all issues. I share views similar to him on a number

of issues, not all issues. And the same could be said of him in relation

to my views. There's a happy coincidence of attitude between

the Government and Senator Harradine on quite a number of issues.

And I don't make any bones about that and I don't apologise

for it. I'm glad he supports it. It's a good policy.

[Ends]

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