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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
17/06/1998
Release Type:
Speech
Transcript ID:
10916
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP SPEECH AT BUSINESS/COMMUNITY LEADERS’ FORUM RINGWOOD, VICTORIA

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Thank you Mr Blank, Mr Spring, my friend and colleague, Phillip Baressi,

my other Parliamentary colleagues, ladies and gentlemen.

It is a delight to be back in Ringwood. It is not, as Phillip reminded

you the first time, but it is an opportunity for me to renew some

associations that I've made over the years particularly with

the small business community in this part of Melbourne. And can I

thank those who have put this afternoon's gathering together

because as Phillip Baressi said at the end of his introductory speech

that Members of Parliament do need to retain very direct methods of

communication with the people who elect them.

Government in modern times is more complex, more difficult, more challenging

than ever before. Expectations are high. The sense of disappointment

and the sense of frustration is also high if expectations are not

realised. It is therefore important that this kind of personal contact

be achieved on as many occasions as possible and I personally have

endeavoured in the two and a quarter years that I've been Prime

Minister to visit all parts of our country and to talk to all sections

of the community to listen to what they have to say and to communicate

the reasons why the Government has taken certain actions.

Over the past couple of days that we've had in Melbourne, a major

economic conference which has been addressed by international visitors,

by world economists, by officials of the World Banks, by leaders of

Asian communities and Asian countries including the Chief Executive

of the Hong Kong region of China and [inaudible] Ministers from Singapore.

I thought some of the reporting and some of the messages that came

out of yesterday's section of the conference were excessively

pessimistic. There are difficulties economically in Asia and many

of the Asian countries are going through a greater economic melt down

than they have previously experienced. But I thought the use of the

word depression was a little excessive and quite alarming and certainly

doesn't represent the reading of the situation that I have that

is available to me from our economic advisers.

Nonetheless, we are now in Australia operating against the background

of an Asian Pacific region dramatically different than what it was

two or three years ago. And as a result of that I am all the more

of the view that the actions that the Government has taken to strengthen

and protect the Australian economy over the last two and a quarter

years were absolutely essential. Without in any way winning the sound

of self congratulatory which is always a mistake in public life, can

I very simply say to you that if we had not set about reducing the

very large budget deficit we inherited, if we had not set about reducing

debts, if we had not set about making other changes to the economic

infrastructure of Australia, we would not now have what are in truth,

the strongest economic foundations that Australia has had for a quarter

of a century. And if we had not done those things we would now be

a lot weaker and a lot more vulnerable as a result of what has occurred

in our region of the world. Because whether we like it or not we do

live in a global economy.

Some of us may want it other ways. We may think it would be terrific

in the words of the old song, Stop the World, I Want to Get Off. But

you don't have that option. The world won't allow you the

luxury of stopping and getting off. And whether we like it or not,

if we are not an attractive location for investment, that foreign

investment will go somewhere else. Overseas companies and countries

don't invest Australia out of nostalgia. They invest in Australia

because Australia gives them a good return. And if we don't give

them a good return, or if we don't make them welcome, they'll

take their investment somewhere else. And instead of their investment

employing thousands Australians, it will employ thousands of Malaysians

or thousands of Americans, or thousands of Englishmen or thousands

of Germans or thousands of Italians.

That is the nature of a global economy. And that is why it's

so necessary at a time like this for governments to do things that

strengthen us and we have been able to do that because over the last

little while we've reduced that deficit mightily. We are now

in surplus for the first time in over ten years. And we can look forward,

if all our friends can just realise, to an essentially debt free start

for the 21st century. And that's a very important achievement.

We do have the lowest interest rates for 30 years for both housing

and small business and that means a lot particularly to people here

in the real estate business. It means a lot to men and women in small

business. Because although I know you'd like the interest rates

to be lower, they are significantly lower now than what they were

three, four, five years ago.

That's very important to the outlook and the operations of those

businesses. We have low inflation rates, in fact, Australia has got

about the lowest inflation rate in the Western world. And we have

made a lot of very important changes to industrial relations as Phillip

mentioned. The important changes we have made to provide a better

balance between some of the large corporations and some of the small

business sector.

Small business is something that is very close not only to my own

heart as a person because I grew up in a small business environment

and I learnt at a very early age that there was nothing more worthwhile

in life than starting your own business with absolutely nothing and

making a go of it, and it is something that I have believed in very

strongly all of my life. But my Government is also very committed

to the role of small business as a generator of employment. We've

had a lot of debate at the moment about the fact that our Native Title

Bill is tied up in the Senate because the Opposition parties won't

vote for it. It's not the only Bill, can I say that is tied up

in the Senate.

There is also a Bill dealing with unfair dismissals which will make

the law even better for small business than the changes than we made

after we were elected and that's also being held up in the Senate

and it's also one of the pieces of legislation that if there

were a joint sitting with the two houses of Parliament after a double

dissolution, if one were to occur, that would be presented for passage.

So we have done a lot to make changes and I know there is quite a

bit of debate in the Australian community at the present time about

the impact of economic change on our community. Some of those impacts

are significant to sections of the Australian community. Change is

never easy and change needs explaining, change needs justification

and change should only ever be embraced if it's going to produce

a better result than the one that it addresses. But there really is

very little option for this country, in fact there is no option in

that it must continue to make desirable changes and one of those desirable

changes is to reform our taxation system.

Now that has been around for a very long time and deep down, most

people in public life on both sides of politics know that sooner or

later we have to reform our taxation system. There are some things

you never do because they make the country worse. There are some things

you never do because even if you do them, they don't make the

country any better. There are other things that you know that when

you have finally done them and you've summoned the courage to

do them, they will produce a better country and a better economy..

And a better taxation system is one of those things. We do have a

very old-fashioned taxation system. There aren't many countries

in the world that have the same wholesale taxation system that Australia

has. There are a few countries but they aren't really at the

top of the ladder as far as competitiveness and economic performance

are concerned.

And it is a very funny old system, it says that if you are wealthy

enough to buy a Lear jet, you don't pay any wholesale sales tax

but if you are like the rest of us and you've got a family car

you pay 22 per cent. It's a system that says that if you buy

flavoured milk you pay sales tax and if you buy ordinary milk you

don't. It imposes very high sales taxes on biscuits and orange

juice concentrate but it doesn't impose any sales tax on caviar.

It's based upon the assumption now quite erroneous that most

of the economic activity in Australia is manufacturing. Yet in reality

manufacturing is a smaller section of the economic activity than used

to be the case when it was imposed.

We had a report this morning from the Institute of Chartered Accountants

that said that incredibly enough, a family of two adults of mum and

dad and two children with only one income earner, that was earning

$20,000 a year was, in fact, $9 a week better off after tax than say

a family earning $30,000 a year. Now, that has to be wrong, it's

crazy and it's an illustration of the sort of anachronisms and

the weaknesses and the flaws that have developed in our taxation system

over the years. And that's why we want to address it. We are

not wanting to address it because of revolution but changing the Australian

taxation system is the next logical thing to do to make the Australian

economy better and stronger, to give it more security, stability and

safety.

Now I could put it off, I could say: Oh well look, we won't go

to the next election with a taxation reform policy. If I get re-elected

I'll have a meeting, I'll call everybody together and I'll

have a meeting to talk about it. Now does anybody really imagine that

out of that meeting you'll get a consensus to borrow the words

of one of my predecessors? Does anybody really imagine that if you

got the Liberal Party and the National Party and the Labor Party and

anybody else who wanted to come along at a political level, and you

got the business community, small and large in the middle, you've

got the welfare sector, you've got the trade unions, you've

got them all together, does anybody really imagine that you are going

to get a consensus about the detail of it? You'd have a lot of

debate, you'd have a lot of set piece speeches.(inaudible) at

the taxation summit in 1985 but at the end of the day there would

be no clear consensus and what people would say: oh well, the Government's

got to decide what to do. And that's a bit proper, actually because

the governments do have to decide what to do because that's what

they are elected to do. Governments are elected to make decisions

. They should have meetings and they should consult and heaven knows,

Australia's politicians have been consulting the Australian community

about taxation reform now for the whole time I've been in politics.

I was elected to Parliament in 1974 and that was one year after Billy

Snedden, the late Billy Snedden, as Federal Treasurer in the McMahon

Government had commissioned the (inaudible) committee. It was a committee

of inquiry into Australia's taxation system chaired by a New

South Wales judge who was a taxation expert, or had been a taxation

expert when he practiced at the bar. And they brought down a report

in 1975, a year after I became a Member of Parliament, recommending

fundamental reforms of Australia's taxation system. And believe

it or not, do you know what they recommend? They recommended the introduction

of a broad based indirect tax. You might now call it a GST or a value

added tax or whatever you'd like to call it. They recommended

its introduction in place of a whole lot of existing indirect taxes

and it actually says the wholesale sales tax was inefficient and out

of date and anachronistic and it drew attention to the deleterious

effects of marginal taxation rates on low income earners, like the

example that I quoted.

Isn't it incredible. That was in 1975. It is now 1998, 23 years

later and the system is even more in need of change. So I could, I

could sort of do the, I think, rather weak thing and that is, give

the idea away and say we are going to have a meeting and if I did

that and we happened to get re-elected and we have a meeting, that

won't achieve anything. It'll be back on my desk and I have

to decide whether we are going to put a plan to the Australian people

or I am going to forget about it forever.

My opponent, Mr Beazley, says the present system is terrific and doesn't

need any change so if he gets elected you won't get any change

there. And the other party on the horizon now, the One Nation party,

agrees with Mr Beazley. It also says the present system is terrific,

so you won't get any change out of that lot either. So if you

really want to have a change to the taxation system the one great

opportunity is to really present it now and that's what we intend

to do before the election. And people will have an opportunity of

looking at it. But sooner or later, with these difficult things you

either have to say to the Australian people: it's too hard, count

me out, I can't do it. Or you've got to bite the bullet

and have a go, and I think the Australian people want the Government

they elect to have a go. If they don't like it, well they'll

vote against it and that's the democratic process.

But I think they will like it. I think they will respond to a plan

that addresses the weaknesses of the present system. And one of the

great virtues of the taxation reform we have in mind is that it will

help our exports and we need to do that because in a difficult world

environment, exporting is very important. And you can have taxation

change that protects the poor, you certainly can. And we have consulted

very extensively with the Australian Council of Social Services in

putting together our plan and I hear what was said earlier about the

need for any change not to involve a significant burden on the small

business sector. But there are significant benefits for the simple

system. One of the great benefits of the simpler system, an effective,

broad based indirect tax in place of the existing taxes, can I just

make that point, people regularly talk about introducing a GST. We

are not going to introduce a GST. We are considering introducing something

called that in place of existing taxes but there is no way we are

going to put a new tax on top of the existing taxes. We are not that

stupid. We have no intention of doing that.

But what we are considering doing and what will obviously be part

of the plan is to bring in a broad based, indirect tax or GST in place

of existing taxes. And also to make, of course, significant changes

to personal income tax levels. So it's a total package, not a

GST on its own, it's not personal income tax cuts on its own.

It's a total reform of the system. And we are doing it because

we think it will be good for Australia, that's the reason why

we are doing it. And I believe that the Australian people will support

reform if it satisfies two conditions.

One of those conditions is that it should be good for the country,

that's the first thing. And secondly, is that it ought to be

fair. Australians are great believers in fairness and I don't

think the present system is fair and my suspicion is a lot of Australians

don't think it's fair any longer, so they want that changed.

So we are committed to reform in that area, not because of any ideological

zeal, not because we have any zealous commitments to what is contemptuously

called economic rationalism. We are committed to taxation reform because

we think it will be good for our country. And that's what governments

are elected to do.

Sometimes you've got to weather the storm of criticism and sometimes

you've got to deal with people like One Nation who come onto

the horizon and say, oh look, don't take any notice of that,

there are simple solutions. I mean their National Director a couple

of days ago was saying the solution to a cheap bank loan was to print

money.

Print money.

He said you can have a two per cent loan from a bank. I made the observation

that well, it's nice to be a borrower at two per cent but who

is going to lend to the bank at one and a half per cent so it can

afford to lend at two per cent because I thought banks operated on

the principle, and I am obviously wrong, that you borrow from "x"

and you lend to "y" and you pay "x" a little less

than you charge "y" and that's called your profit.

Well that's how I thought the system worked but I am obviously

wrong. What you do is print money.

That's how you do it, you print money and I mean, that would

do wonders for the savings of our retired community because if you

start printing money you'll send inflation through the roof.

You start printing money and you'll undermine the whole basis

of and our economy, I think, it's very interesting now that there's

a bit more focus on these alternative propositions, that they are

now starting to get a bit of air play and people are starting to have

a look at it. I mean, once you get people elected to Parliament, well,

you are entitled to have your policies looked at like everybody else.

Everything I say gets examined, gee does it ever. Everything I say

gets examined. A lot of it gets misrepresented too but that's

another matter and I won't weary you with that and I don't

see why other people on the Australian political scene should be denied

the privilege of having their statements examined in great detail

and as they are examined in great detail I think people will start

to see the folly of them.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have made a number of very, very major improvements

over the last two and a quarter years in the operation of our economy

and it has given us an inner strength which has enabled us to weather

the worst of the Asian economic storm. We aren't untouched by

that storm and we won't remain untouched by it. But if we had

not done what we had done over the last two and a quarter years, we

would have been absolutely ravaged by that economic storm and it would

have inflicted a great deal more damage on the Australian economy,

than has been the case over the last six months in particular. And

it is very necessary therefore that it continue where change, further

change and further reform is essential. It is very important that

we continue on that journey.

It is very important that we communicate the need for that change

in reform and have an understanding of its impact on all sections

of the Australian community. And we need energetic, in touch local

representatives and Phillip is certainly one of those. And can I say

that he has been an extraordinarily energetic representative for the

electorate of Deakin in the Federal Parliament. He comes of this area,

he has experienced how small business operates in this area. His family

involvement is in this area. And he represents a style of local politician

that he is very effective. He is quietly persistent. He's a person

who collars Ministers with an almost voracious appetite in the corridors

of Parliament to put a point of view on a proposition on behalf of

his constituents, and can I say he argued very strongly with a lot

of his other Victorian Federal colleagues for changes in the laws,

achieving a fairer balance between the operations of small and large

businesses within our community. And he's argued very strongly

for the interests of this part of Melbourne to be properly cared for,

whatever decisions have been taken by the Federal Government.

Ladies and gentlemen, he's a first class representative and that,

of course, is one of a number of reasons why I am absolutely delighted

to be here today. Can I say that the strength of Australia's

communities and their willingness to work together, the great spirit

of voluntarism which is a defiant strength in the Australian personality

which is readily recognisable wherever you go in Australia - it is

one of the most uplifting things that I find as I go around our country,

and certainly very evident here today and I do appreciate the opportunity

of addressing such a cross section of people, and I want to acknowledge,

although this is very much a small business gathering, I do want to

acknowledge the presence in the audience of local clergymen, of people

who are involved in making community activities of looking after the

less fortunate.

I just took the opportunity before coming here and spending three

quarters of an hour at that marvellous Salvation Army retirement village,

Inala, a few miles away and it was a perfect demonstration of how

well our community organisations care for people. And it's an

enormous tribute to that great organisation, the Salvation Army.

Ladies and gentlemen, I thought some of the remarks made yesterday

at that conference were excessively pessimistic but, nonetheless,

our region is going through difficult times and if I could just make

a quiet, have a quiet political commercial, I don't think now

is really the time to put aside safety, stability and security in

a sea of economic turbulence to go back to policies that deliver deficit

and debt or alternatively, experiment with policies which are based

upon such dubious propositions as sitting up 24 hours of the day,

printing money in order to solve our economic difficulties. I think

the time really is to hang on to a respectable, stable, secure approach.

It has given Australia a great community of strength and stability

in a time of considerable economic difficulty.

Thank you.

[ENDS]

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