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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
31/03/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10783
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP TELEVISION INTERVIEW WITH RAY MARTIN A CURRENT AFFAIR, CHANNEL NINE

MARTIN:

Mr Howard, thank you for your time.

PRIME MINISTER:

Ray.

MARTIN:

Obviously upset, are you embarrassed?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, because this is a completely trivial allegation. The directorship

of which he speaks is a directorship in the Menzies' Research

Centre, not a public company in the ordinary sense of the word.

MARTIN:

But it is a public company.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, not in the ordinary sense of the word because it doesn't

trade, it doesn't make any money. I wasn't paid anything.

I had no personal private interest. And my directorship of that

company flowed, as it were, automatically from my being Leader of

the Party. If I had not been Leader of the Party, I would not have

been a director. I never went...

MARTIN:

[Inaudible]

PRIME MINISTER:

...can I finish, because I never went to any of the meetings. I

had absolutely no private financial interest of any kind. It was

a non-profit organisation, a company limited by guarantee. They

got nothing out of it. And my total obligation, if it had gone belly-up,

was $10.00.

MARTIN:

But wasn't this the same argument that Graham Richardson used

back in 1992 when you and the opposition parties attacked him in

Parliament for being a member of the Labor-owned radio station in

Newcastle?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, my understanding was that that was a commercial operation.

MARTIN:

But he got no money out of it. The things you've just said

were the same.

PRIME MINISTER:

But it was a commercial operation. I mean, this is a completely

trivial attempt to embarrass me. And the guidelines require disclosure

so as to avoid a conflict of public duty and private interest. Now,

I don't have any private interests. I had no personal financial

interest in this company of any kind. It was something that automatically

attached to me because I was the Leader of the Liberal Party.

MARTIN:

You've said that, but why then did your Health Minister, Mr

Wooldridge, declare his membership, directorship of that same company?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, one of the reasons could be - and I haven't spoken to

him - is that he's not automatically a member, automatically

a director. Under the articles of association, he can only be so

if I appoint him. But in any event, the rules don't say that

you can't over-declare things. It's a question of whether

you are required to.

MARTIN:

Laurie Oakes says that, in fact, you had a hidden motive, hidden

agenda in that, the fact that you've realised...the reason

why you're protecting Senator Parer is that you've now

realised that you've breached your own code of ethics.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, that's completely wrong. I mean, it wasn't until

I learnt this afternoon that this story was being run that this

whole issue has ever come into my mind.

MARTIN:

So no one raised it.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, nobody, incidentally, from your network gave me an opportunity

of commenting on this before the story went to air, which I think

it unusual, but that's a decision of your network. But can

I just say again, that that claim that I had some hidden motive

is absolute nonsense. Look, I don't have, at no stage I had

any financial interest. I mean, conflict of interest arises where

you have a collision between your public duty and your private interest.

If you don't have a private interest, how can you have a collision?

MARTIN:

We're almost out of time but I need to say it again, that

you, in fact, led the campaign against Graham Richardson back in

1992, almost on the same argument. Richo said that he had no money

out of this, it was a Labor owned thing, as the Menzies is in your

case and yet you attacked him.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, one of them was a commercial operation and the Menzies...

MARTIN:

But he got no money out of it.

PRIME MINISTER:

But the other is a commercial operation and, in any event, he was

minister for communications and responsible...

MARTIN:

But you're the Prime Minister.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yeah, but responsible for radio stations.

MARTIN:

But you're responsible for everything. You're the Prime

Minister.

PRIME MINISTER:

But I don't have any personal interest in this - none whatsoever.

And it's a completely non-profit company. And I held the directorship

not because I wanted to be a director of it or because I put any

money into the company, but I held it, as it were, automatically

because I was the Leader in the Federal Parliamentary Liberal Party.

Now, in those circumstances I don't believe there's any

collision at all with the ministerial guidelines and I reject the

claim made by Mr Oakes completely.

MARTIN:

All right. Prime Minister, thank you so much for your time.

for your time.

PRIME MINISTER:

Pleasure.

[Ends]

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