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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
29/01/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10760
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH STEVE PRICE RADIO 3AW, MELBOURNE

PRICE:

[Tape begins]...the people who manage your image might be better

off making sure that that did happen.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I'll pass on what you've said to them. It's

a question of striking a balance. If you look, as a politician,

that you're only doing something for the publicity then the

Australian public's pretty smart you know, they can see through

it and it's a question of striking a balance.

PRICE:

You were on the air commenting when Graeme Wood dropped the magic

word when he dropped that catch. That must have been interesting.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes, but it was a spontaneous human reaction. Very, very spontaneous.

PRICE:

Melbourne seems to have been chosen to get a bit serious as the

front for a challenge to the waterfront labour monopolies. Why Melbourne?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, that's something you would have to ask the National

Farmers Federation and Patricks. What is occurring is a result of

the law changes that we introduced when we changed the Industrial

Relations Act and we made it possible for there to be more competition

on the Australian waterfront. And what the NFF is doing is to exercise

the right of any group of Australians and that is to start a new

business and to offer a better service to the public. And if it

can do that then good luck to it and it will have the total support

of the Government and it ought to have the total support and the

total sympathy of the business community in Australia because we

do need a more efficient waterfront.

The inefficiency of the Australian waterfront is legend. It is

effecting our trade performance. And nobody can expect to have a

monopoly whether it's in business or as a trade union. And

what the MUA is arguing for is a maintenance of its monopoly. I

mean, people should understand that. But what the MUA wants is the

preservation of a monopoly which no other section of the Australian

community would be allowed to get away with.

PRICE:

When did you first become aware of the NFF plan?

PRIME MINISTER:

I heard generally about it a reasonably short while ago. I can't

remember exactly when. But you've got to remember that we have

never disguised our desire for there to be more competition on the

Australian waterfront. And over the years I've talked to innumerable

business men and women about the need for change and reform on the

Australian waterfront. I've lost count of the number of discussions

I've had with that, not only the Farmers Federation, but miners,

manufacturers, other people in business. I don't disguise the

fact that I welcome a challenge to the monopoly position of the

MUA because monopolies are bad. They're bad when they're

enjoyed by companies and they are bad when they're enjoyed

by governments and they are bad when they're enjoyed by trade

unions. And it puzzles me that some of the people who most vigorously

attack monopolies in the hands of companies, when it comes to a

trade union thing it's perfectly okay to shut non-union labour

out of a particular commercial activity.

PRICE:

Had a couple of wharfies on the phones this afternoon saying it's

a bit hypocritical of the farmers to be doing this when they're

one of the greatest protected species in Australia.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, that is just wrong. The Australian farmer has less protection

than any other section of the Australian business community. The

Australian farmer is one of the least protected in the world. I

mean, I'm sorry, they are just completely ignorant of the facts

when they make those assertions. The farmers have progressively

lost all of their protection. And one of the problems of the Australian

farmer is that he is struggling in a world where the farmers against

which he competes get a lot of protection. The Japanese, the American

and the European farmers get massive subsidies. The Australian farmers

don't. And Australian farmers not only have to compete against

their subsidised brethren in other countries, but they also have

to often put up with the additional domestic costs brought about

by monopoly trade union practises. So for wharfies to assert that

is to assert something that is simply not true.

PRICE:

Michael O'Leary is a national organiser with the Maritime

Union of Australia. He says this is about Peter Reith showing that

he's got a hairy chest.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well look, the Australian public will want a better argument than

that to be sympathetic to the MUA. I mean, I just take you back

to what is happening. What is happening is that a group of people

are exercising their democratic right within the law to start a

new business venture which will provide competition to existing

stevedores and will use non-union labour. And the MUA is complaining

because the monopoly held by the MUA could be threatened. Now, that's

what's at stake. It's got nothing to do with hairy chests

or protected farmers or anything else.

PRICE:

Does it concern you though when you see riot shields being pulled

out of the back of buses down there?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, what concerns me is the belligerent language, the threats

of intimidation and the resort to the language of confrontation

employed by, thus far, by the MUA. That's what disturbs me.

The farmers aren't talking the language of confrontation.

They're not. The people who are talking the language of confrontation

are the members of the Maritime Union of Australia.

PRICE:

Will this be an election year, Prime Minister?

PRIME MINISTER:

I don't know. There could be an election this year. It's

not constitutionally due until March of next year. Whether it's

some time this year or some time early next year, I don't know.

I've said before that it will be at the right time. I haven't

decided what that time is. In the meantime, as I indicated yesterday

in the plans I laid out for the year, we're getting on with

the job of governing. And we have a number of major things we want

to do this year. We want to reform taxation system or lay out our

plans for that. And I announced yesterday a number of initiatives

that extend the principle of mutual obligation. We're putting

resources into generating another 25,000 Work for the Dole places.

We're going to help unemployed people whose literacy and numeracy

skills, or lack of those skills, are preventing them getting work.

And we're going to pilot a number of other schemes to help

the unemployed. And all up we're putting an additional $380

million over four years into helping tackle the problem of youth

unemployment. So, we have a lot ahead of us and a lot of things

that we want to do. We want to see the tax system fixed.

PRICE:

When will I know the change to my personal income tax rate?

PRIME MINISTER:

Before the election.

PRICE:

How...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, you will have a good opportunity to assess what we are offering

the Australian public before the election. Unlike the Labor Party

we are prepared to tackle taxation reform. The Labor Party is telling

the Australian public that we don't have to do anything more

to reform the economy despite the fact that the Asian region is

experiencing this huge meltdown and despite the fact that that really

means we have to run even faster and become even more competitive.

The Labor Party is trying to spin the yarn that we can just go to

sleep and do absolutely nothing.

PRICE:

So you will give us the time to debate those tax changes?

PRIME MINISTER:

Of course you will have the time to debate them, of course.

PRICE:

And there will be meaningful changes to the personal income tax

breaks?

PRIME MINISTER:

There certainly will be.

PRICE:

Have you written your Constitutional Convention speech yet?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, but I have got the elements of what I will be saying I have

been talking about over the past few weeks. I support the present

system, not because I have any sort of nostalgic attachment to the

present system, I support it because it works very well. But I am

saying that what the Convention should do is to produce an alternative

to the present system so that the Australian public can make a choice.

We all know that one of the choices, when the referendum comes,

will be the maintenance of the present system, that will be one

option. But we don't really know what the republican option

is. And there are a lot of people I know who say, look if the republic

involves a president chosen in a particular fashion then I will

vote for a republic, but if it involves a president chosen in another

fashion I won't vote for a republic.

So you really have to define and clarify what the alternatives

to the present system is so that people can make a sensible choice.

And that is what I have been arguing for, and I have indicated that

for my own part I support the present system. But if I were forced

to nominate a choice amongst the republican alternatives, I think

that advocated by the former Victorian Governor Mr McGarvie is preferable

to the direct election of the president which would be the worst

of the alternatives. Direct election of a president would fundamentally

alter the present system, it would create a rival political power

centre. You could have a Liberal Prime Minister, a Labor President,

who has been popularly elected and you could have the Senate controlled

by the Australian Democrats. I don't think you could get anything

done in those circumstances.

PRICE:

How long will you spend at the Convention over the 10 days it's

operating?

PRIME MINISTER:

I will participate in the Convention each of the days that it is

on. I will spend a lot of time there. I am required, because of

my other responsibilities to do other things and I will probably

have to pay a visit or two out of Canberra during that period of

time. But at some stage of each of the days that the Convention

is sitting I expect to be there. So I won't be a part-time

casual participant. I intend to take this Convention very seriously.

PRICE:

Does it disappoint you that the Victorian Premier only intends

to spend half a day there of the ten days it on and didn't

bother to vote?

PRIME MINISTER:

That is a matter for him. It is a free country and it was a voluntary

vote. And one of the things that we have to find out about this

issue is how passionately people feel about change. I don't

detect a sense of urgency in the Australian community about changing

our Head of State. I detect a lot of people who, when they are asked

say, oh yeah that is not a bad idea we probably should do it, but

they don't have any sense of passion or urgency. And I think

what they want to do is to be told what exactly is on offer and

what is the alternative to the present system. And when they know

that they will make their decision.

PRICE:

Were the changes to nursing homes last year, is your private polling

showing that that has hurt you across Australia?

PRIME MINISTER:

I don't talk about private polling because that is a contradiction

in terms, it is no longer private if I talk about it. And in any

event we don't adjust our policies according to polling. We,

obviously made some errors in that area, I acknowledged those and

I have fixed it. And I made it very plain that we had made some

errors and I think it is always important that governments fix things

that they are responsible for. And I am not a person who pretends

that from time to time errors aren't made and where they are

made they should be fixed and acknowledged. And that is exactly

what we have done and we have got the nursing home situation on

a proper footing. We do have to get more capital into nursing homes

because many of them are dilapidated and run down and in need of

a big capital injection. And it either must come from the ordinary

taxpayer, through the budget, or it has got to come from people

who can afford to do so who need to use nursing homes.

Now I don't think it is unreasonable to say to people who

can afford to do so that they should make a contribution, or their

families should make a contribution towards their care. Because

if that doesn't happen it has got to come out of the budget

and that means your tax will be higher.

PRICE:

Are you concerned about a potential breakdown in civil law in Indonesia?

PRIME MINISTER:

I am concerned about Indonesia generally. It is facing a very difficult

economic situation, the increases in the price of food will be very

severe for a large part of the population which is still quite poor.

And it is Australia's responsibility to be concerned about,

and to be involved as we have been. We have participated very, very

extensively in helping in the restructure of the Indonesian economy

and also that of Thailand and Korea. I don't want to be alarmist

and I respect, of course, the domestic right of the Indonesian people

to deal with their own political problems. But it is a major area

of concern.

PRICE:

Just finally. Do you think, and I am not referring to you in anyway

here, do you think an Australian politician, a leading Australian

politician, could survive the sort of scandal that is whirling around

the ears of the US President, Bill Clinton at the present time?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well there is no way that I can answer that without making an observation

on what is happening in the United States concerning the President

and I respect his office, I respect him and I am not going to buy

into that. That is a matter for him to deal with, it is not appropriate

for an Australian Prime Minister to comment on that sort of thing

because there is no way that a comment on that can be, or ought

to be made in isolation. I have found in my dealings with President

Clinton that he is a highly intelligent, competent person with whom

to deal. He has been an effective President, his dealings with Australia

have always been very fair and very open and I have had quite a

lot of personal dealing with him since I've become Prime Minister

and I have found him a good listener and somebody who is interested

in the Australian point of view.

Now what is happening in the United States concerning his Presidency

is a matter for him to deal with and it is

is a matter for him to deal with and it is just not appropriate

for me in anyway to make a comment that could be put in the context

of that situation.

PRICE:

Prime Minister I appreciate very much you giving us so much of

your time.

PRIME MINISTER:

Thank you very much.

[Ends]

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