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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
17/11/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10694
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE REGENT HOTEL, KUALA LUMPUR

E&OE.......................................................................................................

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, ladies and gentlemen, this morning I had three very important

bilateral meetings - with President Habibie of Indonesia, President

Kim Dae-Jung of Korea, and the new Japanese Prime Minister, Mr Obuchi.

It was in fact my first meeting with each of those three gentlemen

in their current positions. I had previously met Dr Habibie when he

was a Minister in the Indonesian Government. I think it's fair

to say that Dr Habibie and I spent most of our time talking about

the domestic reforms and the domestic situation in Indonesia. He assured

me of the commitment of his Government towards greater liberalisation

in that country. He expressed a great deal of optimism about the measures

that had been adopted at the recent meeting of the Assembly, and he

was hopeful that those measures would be seen as a very significant

gesture towards a more open liberal and democratic political system

in Indonesia.

He was very grateful for the support that Australia had given Indonesia

in her time of very great difficulty a few months ago. He was particularly

grateful for the fact that Australia had argued with other nations

for a better understanding of the social problems faced by Indonesia

because of the economic downturn. He drew attention to the way in

which his country's currency had stabilised, compared with what

it had obtained a few months ago, and as befits his personality, was

very upbeat about the future of both his Government and Indonesia.

I extended an invitation to him to visit Australia and I'm very

hopeful that he will take up that invitation next year.

I was particularly pleased to meet President Kim Dae-Jung of Korea.

I think all of you know what an incredible experience he's been

through politically in his own country, and what a remarkable achievement

it is for him after all that's happened, to become President

of Korea, and of course assume the presidency of that country at a

time of extraordinary economic challenge and difficulty.

He once again was very appreciative of the support that Australia

extended through the IMF bail-out to Korea. He gave me a detailed

rundown of the measures that had been taken to strengthen the Korean

economy, and it's fair to say that Korea, along with Thailand,

certainly accepted some very severe economic medicine in order to

get their domestic economies back into shape. He made the very important

observation to me that it was essential that each country in the region

make sure that its domestic economic foundations and fundamentals

were in order, and that action on the international multilateral front

should be seen as a supplement for, and not a replacement of, domestic

economic change and domestic economic correction. And I was very encouraged

at the continued commitment that he showed towards economic reform

and economic change.

Both he and President Habibie welcomed the Australian initiative relating

to economic and financial governance, and of course that particular

initiative will allocate from the 50 million dollars in question something

in the order of 18 or 19 million dollars for projects to improve the

economic and financial governance of different institutions within

Indonesia. So, it's a particularly important initiative for that

country, but there will also be benefits for other countries as well.

I also appreciated the opportunity to meet Mr Obuchi. We exchanged

some reminiscences about broad-based indirect taxes. He drew my attention

to the fact that his political mentor, Mr Takeshita, had been the

Prime Minister of Japan when the broad-based indirect tax was introduced.

He said it was introduced at three percent and now it's five,

and now there's agitation for it to come back to three. And I

made the observation later in the discussion that it was always important

to introduce it at a realistic level at the beginning, and therefore

there'd be absolutely no pressure for any increase, and absolutely

no argument about that.

He gave me also a rundown on what had occurred in Japan. He detailed

the stimulus package he announced yesterday and also alluded to the

joint announcement that had been made by Japan and the United States

last night. He of course recognises that his Government must get the

Japanese economy back into positive growth and he recognises that

that is their overriding responsibility.

He felt the banking reforms that had been passed by the Japanese Diet

would make a very big contribution towards repairing some of the fundamentals

that need to be repaired in Japan. I emphasised to him the value of

course of Japan to us, and how important the strength of the Japanese

economy was to Australia's economic future, and he renewed an

invitation, which I intend to take up, to pay a state visit to Japan

next year. It's part of a longstanding arrangement, an official

visit I think is the correct expression (thank you, Mr Thawley), and

I hope to take up that invitation next year, and of course the relationship

between our two countries is well known, quite fundamental to us,

and the strength of the Japanese economy is very important to the

strength of the economic direction of the whole world.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, Vice President Al Gore praised the "brave people of

Malaysia" for fighting for reforms and freedoms through the reformasi

movement in Malaysia. Does Australia also support the reformasi movement

here?

PRIME MINISTER:

Everybody has their own way of dealing with issues which they want

to comment on. I chose to meet the Prime Minister of Malaysia and

to express my views to him, that's the Australian way. Vice President

Gore has chosen to express some views, that's his decision and

he's got a perfect right to do that. I think our view on the

issue, which you no doubt have in mind in asking that question, is

well-known and we believe in an open democratic system as the preferable

way of running a country. We also recognise that different countries

have different views and have different cultures and the intelligent

thing to do and I think productive thing for a country Australia's

size and where Australia is located, to do is to always be identified

with liberal democratic values and always to be seen as a country

that values those approaches and puts great store on them, but not

to be seen as a country which sees its prime role in the world as

lecturing others as to how they should run their systems of government.

Now our position in relation to the former Deputy Prime Minister of

this country of Malaysia is well-known. In fact I think I was probably

the first regional leader to say something about it, so I'm not

going to accept from anybody any suggestion that Australia has been

reluctant to express a point of view. But you must understand that

we are part of this region, we often do things a little differently

from others because we have different interests, and we have a different

approach, and what is the Australian way is the way best-calculated

to register our point of view, but by the same token to have a continuing

influence in the region. And I've often spoken of the fact that

Australia brings unique insights to this region because of our geographic

proximity. That was clearly demonstrated in the insights we brought

when Indonesia was in deep financial, political and social difficulty

some time ago. And I think our insights there were right and they

helped the situation and that is now widely recognised and I think

that same observation must of necessity be made in other matters.

JOURNALIST:

Does Australia support the reformasi movement in Malaysia of which

Anwar is a part?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, what Australia support is a transparent trial of him, and what

Australia supports is continuing moves in all countries towards a

more open liberal democratic society. I'm not going to attach

myself to this or that description, or this or that tag of something

else. Of course we support a more liberal open approach in all countries,

but we also respect the right of countries to have the system of governance

that they think is best for their society.

JOURNALIST:

Now is it the case that this has been....reform in Indonesia?

PRIME MINISTER:

I don't think it's possible, Craig, to give a simplistic

yes or no answer to that sort of question. I think the issues involved

are far more complicated than the simplicity of that question suggests.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Gore's remarks also extended to Indonesia. Was there any discussion

between you and Dr Habibie today on those remarks?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I haven't read the full text of Mr Gore's remarks,

you may have, I haven't. I read a report of them. Indonesia has

come some distance from where it was, and I'd repeat what I said

yesterday. People should have an understanding of the huge social

and economic and political transformation that faces Indonesia. It's

a very large country. There are significant internal conflicts and

pressures, and I think people should have an understanding of what

is involved.

We all want a more liberal and open and democratic society in that

country, of course we do. But we've got to recognise, and I speak

as an Australian, and speaking as Australian Prime Minister, we've

got to recognise that every society is different, and you don't

necessarily achieve desirable outcomes by constantly hectoring other

nations in order to change the way they run their life. You must retain

influence, and the best way for a country of 18 million people to

retain influence is to hold fast to its own values, but by the same

token have a capacity to understand that other countries may want

to do things differently. And nations of 18 million people obviously

will deport themselves differently on occasions than nations of over

200 million.

JOURNALIST:

Does Australia believe that the Indonesian Military went too far last

week?

PRIME MINISTER:

I'm not going to give a judgement yes or no on that. I think

that is the sort of peremptory black and white judgement that it is

not helpful for Australian Prime Ministers to make. You give considered

observations over a period of time, and we have made it very, very

plain that we want more reform. We've made that very plain, but

we're also making it very plain that we appreciate the steps

that Indonesia has already taken. And the bilateral relationship between

Australia and Indonesia, let me say to you, has survived the most

enormous changes that have taken place in Indonesia over the last

12 months in very good shape, and one of the reasons why it has survived

in very good shape is that I haven't run around giving advice

every hour of the day of every day, as to what the Indonesian people

and the Indonesian authorities should do. And if you want to care

for the Australian national interest, and the Australian national

interest lies in keeping a strong bilateral relationship with Indonesia,

you don't spend all your time giving lectures to other countries

and other societies.

JOURNALIST:

Will Australia contribute to the US$5 billion dollars aid.. (inaudible)?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well we will obviously have a look at any approaches, but you've

got to bear in mind that Australia has already made, given her size,

very significant contributions to the financial bail-outs in the region

and we've contributed, along with Japan we're the only country

to have contributed to each of the three IMF bail-outs, and in each

case it's been the equivalent of US $1 billion dollars, and we've

also increased our bilateral aid to Indonesia, and we've also

announced a 50 million dollar package in relation to financial and

economic governance, so I don't think anybody can suggest that

Australia hasn't already made a very significant contribution.

JOURNALIST:

On the issue of the announcement last night, the five/10 billion dollar

package or whatever it is, I understand that Australia has been approached

on a bilateral basis by some East-Asian countries, asking whether

the country would be prepared to give some form of guarantee to loan-raising

programs by those countries.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I'm not aware of the details of those approaches. I would

be happy obviously to consider any approaches, I say consider, but

I simply make the point that we've already contributed very generously

and I'm just not going to make an on-the-run further commitment.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, has Australia been approached to, and asked to send officials

to meet in Tokyo, on the bailout? There's going to be a meeting

shortly in Tokyo to...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, there's been an invitation. You're talking about the

(inaudible), the announcement that was made last night? Well obviously

Australia will, at an official level, involve itself in discussions,

yes.

JOURNALIST:

The Malaysian Trade Minister has taken great umbrage at Vice President

Gore's speech, and said it could spoil APEC before it begins.

Do you share that concern?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh, I don't think APEC will be spoilt, no I don't. No, I

don't think APEC will be spoilt at all.

JOURNALIST:

Do you think that Mr Gore went too far...?

PRIME MINISTER:

Mr Who?

JOURNALIST:

Did you think that US Vice President Gore went too far....

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh, look I'm not going to give him advice either.

JOURNALIST:

I understand the question of bail for Mr Anwar was raised..

PRIME MINITSER:

Who by?

JOURNALIST:

Between Wan Azizah and Mr Downer. Does Australia support....

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh, look I've already made a very detailed statement about Anwar

and we've made our position very clear. I'm not going to

sort of micro-analyse every aspect of it. Our position is we want

a transparent trial, I said that to Dr Mahathir. I didn't say

it through a speech, I said it to him. That remains our position.

And as to the minutiae of that, I just don't think there's

anything I can add. I'm not going to do it. Thank you.

[ends]

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