PM Transcripts

Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
25/01/2000
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11500
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH FIONA REYNOLDS, AM PROGRAMME

Subjects: GST, anti-discrimination, Michael Wooldridge, Ministerial reshuffle,

Mobil fuel crisis.

E&OE...........................................................................................

REYNOLDS:

Mr Howard, you have singled backbenchers, Trish Draper and Trish Worth,

out for praise in the past, now they are campaigning against your tampon

tax. Are you wrong?

PRIME MINISTER:

Can I just answer that by saying this, what we are talking about here

is a small element of the GST which is part of an overall, dramatic improvement

to our tax system. We are not talking about a tax on an item in isolation,

or a GST in isolation. We are talking about a tax change that is going

to make our exports cheaper, our business operating costs lower, our fuel

in the bush cheaper. And overall give Australians a $12 billion tax cut

and give us the most modern taxation system this country has seen in fifty

years, and also enable this country to be even more competitive in international

markets. Now it is important to see every aspect of the GST as part of

that whole. Now you can always mount an argument not to tax an individual

item, I understand that. And taken in isolation that argument can be compelling.

But you can't take things in isolation, you've got to look at

it, every little part as a section of the whole, and that is what I am

doing in relation to this. And if you take the GST off say tampons, within

a few days, I promise you, there will be a group of people mounting quite

a respectable argument in isolation to take it off children's clothing.

Everybody needs clothing and that argument can be mounted. I mean, our

original idea was that you had it on virtually everything and then because

of the need to get the support of the Democrats in order to get the legislation

through Parliament, we had to agree to take out certain food items. Now

we didn't want to do that. Not because we want to tax things in particular,

it is just the fewer exemptions you have, the better the system. The more

exemptions you have, the more pressure there is to have still more exemptions,

and the still more exemptions you have you then start to threaten the

existence of the whole system. Now that of course is what our political

opponents want, but I remind them and I remind your listeners that we

took this to the election in 1998, we won that election, we've got

it through the Parliament. It is now the law and I am opposed to any further

exemptions.

REYNOLDS:

Well, New South Wales Liberal Leader, Kerry Chikarovski also wants the

decision reversed. You're not going to listen to her?

PRIME MINISTER:

I have explained why I don't believe any change should be made.

REYNOLDS:

Well, the Tasmanian Government's received legal advice from the

State's Anti-discrimination Commissioner that women could pursue

a class action against the Commonwealth. Do you take that seriously?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I am quite certain that if people hunt around you can find somebody

who will express an opinion like that about just about every aspect of

government behaviour and government life. There is nothing in front of

me that suggests there is any form of discrimination involved of any kind.

Look, we haven't set out to discriminate against anybody, what we

have set out to do is to give this country a tax system for the 21st

century. And if we're going to spend all of our time debating in

isolation the minutiae of the taxes application or a particular item we

will lose sight of the overall national benefit. Because everytime you

exempt something, you open up pressure to exempt something more.

REYNOLDS:But Canada . . .

PRIME MINISTER:And once that happens, then the whole system begins

to unravel and I am not going to allow a change which will be of enormous

benefit to this country, I mean we are going to take billions of dollars

off the cost of Australia's exports, we are going to reduce the cost

of fuel in the bush by billions of dollars a year, we are going to have

80% of Australian taxpayers on a top marginal rate of no more than 30

cents in the dollar and if we start unravelling and unpicking and pulling

this thing apart, you are going to threaten that. And this reform, this

new system of which the GST is but one part, will be of enormous economic

benefit to Australia that is why I support it. And that is why I believe

in it so very strongly.

REYNOLDS:

But Canada saw its way clear to exclude women's

sanitary products from the GST.

PRIME MINISTER:

Canada would be about the worst example of any country

in recent years to follow in relation to the GST. If you want an example

that was far more successful, have a look at New Zealand.

REYNOLDS:

Well the AMA and gynaecologists also say that 10% of

women need to use tampons for a medical condition. Doesn't that .

.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, as I said, Fiona . .

REYNOLDS:

. . . doesn't that undermine your argument?

PRIME MINISTER:

Fiona, as I said at the beginning of this interview, if you look at something

in isolation you can mount an argument. That is not the point. The point

is whether we want a new tax system for a new century. Whether we want

$12 billion of personal tax cuts. Whether we want 80% of Australians on

a top marginal rate of 30% or whether we want cheaper fuel in the bush

and billions of dollars taken off our exports. Now, if we want all of

those benefits the only way that you can achieve it is to have an essentially

comprehensive broad-based indirect tax replacing the existing ramshackle

wholesale tax system and that is what we are determined and resolved to

do. And I expect on a whole range of items over the next five months people

are going to put their hands up and say why don't you exempt ‘x',

why don't you do this, why don't you do that. And looked at

in isolation all of those things can sound very respectable but whereas

the AMA and other groups may be able to look at things in isolation when

you are the Prime Minister of the whole country you have to look at the

national benefit. And essentially we are changing the tax system for Australia's

benefit, we are not living out some ideological commitment. I am doing

this because I believe it will make Australia stronger and better economically.

REYNOLDS:

Your Health Minister, Dr Michael Wooldridge, apologised yesterday for

causing offence by equating shaving cream with tampons, are you sorry

for causing offence?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Michael Wooldridge chose a particular remark. He's made a

subsequent observation about that, that is entirely a matter for him.

I don't believe that the Government's decision is in any way

offensive and the position that we are taking is in no way offensive.

Everybody has a different way of explaining and defending Government decisions

and I give great credit to Michael - great credit to Michael - for saying

what he has just said.

REYNOLDS:

Well, while you were on leave there was some speculation of a reshuffle

and Dr Michael Wooldridge was one who was named. Can you rule out a reshuffle?

PRIME MINISTER:

None of that speculation came from me and as far as Michael is concerned

I think he is a quite outstanding Health Minister and he has my total

confidence and total support.

REYNOLDS:

So no reshuffle this year?

PRIME MINISTER:

All of that speculation came from others.

REYNOLDS:

You are heading on a tour of regional communities next week, they are

now amongst the worst affected from the aviation fuel crisis. When will

planes be back in the air?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I find that hard to answer Fiona. This is, of course, something

that has come from out of the clear blue sky no pun intended. It is really

a very difficult issue. We are in the hands of the experts. The absolute

first priority is safety. You can't take risks going into the air

if there's any danger and we are in the hands of the experts. And

as far as we are concerned we are pressing the authorities, we are pressing

Mobil, we are encouraging the experts to come up with the necessary tests

and procedures and clearances as soon as possible. Now, I feel very deeply

for people who are dependent on the aviation industry. I feel deeply for

the pilots and the operators and all of those people associated and I

can understand that they would be looking to the appropriate people for

legal advice. John Anderson has, although he's meant to go on leave,

he's remained on the job to continue to pursue the matter as the

responsible Minister. I am concerned about it but it's one of those

things that really as a layman I can't override the views of the

experts. If an expert says to me it's not safe to fly I can't

override that and in the end we are in the hands of the experts.

REYNOLDS:

Prime Minister, thank you for your time.

PRIME MINISTER:

You're welcome.

[ends]

11500