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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
04/03/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11176
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  • Howard, John Winston
4 March 1999 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE WITH MR GOH CHOK TONG PRIME MINISTER OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE

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PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, ladies and gentlemen, the Australia Government has been very

pleased to welcome the Prime Minister of Singapore to this country.

He and I got to know each other very well when I was Treasurer and

he was the Finance Minister for Singapore. And I have been particularly

pleased since becoming Prime Minister to renew that friendship at

various international forums and now for the first time on a visit

to our country.

We have a very close bilateral relationship. The best feature of it,

of course, is the large number of people-to-people contacts exemplified

by the fact that Australia is still preferred as an education destination

by more Singaporeans than any other country. It's a proud fact

that four members of the Government of Singapore were educated in

Australia, the President of Singapore was educated in Australia and

those people-to-people links are very close. We have very strong trade

and investment links and we share a largely common view of the challenges

facing the region and the need to respond to those challenges in a

coordinated fashion.

We have had a very useful discussion both today and last night at

the Lodge where I was accompanied by three of my senior Ministers,

Mr Costello, Mr Reith and Mr Moore. We have discussed in great detail

regional issues, not the least of course Indonesia and Malaysia, circumstances

surrounding East Timor but very particularly the domestic challenges

facing Indonesia which are very important, of course, to both of our

countries.

So can I say, Prime Minister, that I am delighted that you were able

to come, you are very welcome, your country is warmly respected in

Australia. And as I say again the people-to-people links between our

two societies are very close indeed and they, of course, underpin

the relationship in a quite emphatic manner.

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Thank you. I was last here in 1994 when Prime Minister Paul Keating

invited me. I am happy to be back to discuss foreign matters with

Prime Minister John Howard. It's always a pleasure to come over

here because we never get out of this close bilateral issues. I mean,

there are just no bilateral problems between Singapore and Australia.

So what we have done is to see how we can advance our common interests

internationally. Our interests converge in many areas and we discussed

some strategies and tactics on how we can further advance our mutual

interests. In APEC in the discussion over this new international financial

architecture and also in terms of observing, with concern, developments

in the region and see how we can assist the region to recover. We

have common interests and we would like to work on how we can advance

our common interests in these three major areas in the coming months.

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Any questions?

JOURNALIST:

Can I just ask you, in light of the concerns you have expressed in

Sydney the other night about civility in Indonesia. What sort of contribution

would Singapore [inaudible] consider making towards an international

effort to help East Timor through a transition?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Well, I think East Timor as of now is part of Indonesia, is an issue

to be handled primarily by Indonesia then what comes after this is

a little premature. If East Timor is given independence by Indonesia

then at a point of time they can discuss what it can do. But at this

stage it seems to me to be rather premature to discuss a transition

in East Timor because it is still very much a matter, internal matter

for Indonesia to decide.

JOURNALIST:

If both Prime Ministers or either could comment on the five power

defence arrangements. I understand there ....[inaudible] exercise

in April and there were some doubt as to whether that would go ahead

[inaudible]. Do we have any resolution on that yet?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Yes, the officials have met I think about one or two days ago. They

have agreed that there should be an exercise in April. In other words,

is to resume what they set out to do some months ago, the exercise

which was postponed. They are working on the details of the exercise.

The Malaysians wanted to modify, I think, some of the exercise format.

The officials are working that out but there will be an exercise.

It's whether they can get maximum professional value without

modifying the form of the exercise which is being discussed at the

moment.

JOURNALIST:

Are you generally satisfied that the arrangements are back on track

after a period of tension?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

At the moment it is back on track, yes.

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Can I just add to that that this was one of the issues I raised with

Dr Mahathir when I saw him in Kuala Lumpur last year at the APEC meeting

and he undertook to revive activity on it and I am very pleased that

that has been carried out in accordance with what he said. And the

Prime Minister has indicated what is now likely to occur.

JOURNALIST:

[Inaudible] focus on election process in Indonesia [inaudible] because

it is not guaranteed that the democratic election will bring stability....

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, what the Australian Government is doing is to be as it has in

the past a good and constructive friend towards Indonesia. We are

naturally anxious to see as free and open an election process as possible.

We are contributing something in the order of $10 to $15 million towards

it which is a significant amount of money. We are making officials

at the Australian Electoral Commission available and we will do everything

we can to ensure that the process is as transparent as possible. I

think it is very important from Indonesia's point of view, particularly

her economic future, that the rest of the world judge the election

in Indonesia to have been conducted in an open and transparent manner.

Because if the judgement is that it is then that will give far more

credibility internationally to the government that emerges from that

process. It's very important that economic stability be returned

to Indonesia as effectively as possible. Part of that process is political

credibility. The two are completely intertwined and the one effects

the other. There's just one other from the Singaporean group.

JOURNALIST:

[Inaudible] the best way to assist in the [inaudible] stability?

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, there was no specific decision taken in the sense that there

was a package of measures between the two countries but the Prime

Minister and I have been talking about Indonesia's difficulties

now for about two years not only in our bilateral meetings but we

have had frequent telephone discussions about the situation in Indonesia.

I think both of us believe that the broad direction taken by the IMF

has been correct. Australia, of course, has contributed very generously

to the Indonesian Rescue Package and as we have to the rescue packages

in Thailand and Korea. You won't get a lasting economic recovery

in Indonesia without an improvement in the transparency of its banking

system. You obviously have to restore a credibility in relation to

things like that and the broad direction of the IMF programme we think

is correct. We, of course, played a role in mitigating some of the

more unreasonable demands that were being made on Indonesia in the

first instance and I think Singapore had a similar view to Australia.

So our dialogue on the Indonesian economy is very much a continuum

and we have been talking about it an exchanging ideas on it and putting

views to other people now for a period of almost two years.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Goh, the Australian Prime Minister, Mr Howard, [inaudible]...Australia

the financial centre of Asia through into the next century to make

Australia...which essentially means taking on Singapore. Does Singapore

feel threatened by Australia's economic push to take over the

headquarters of the region or feel you will lose much business?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

We are a firm believer in market competition and we welcome this competition

from Australia and we wish Australia success.

If I may explain, this is not a pie of a fixed size. In the

nature of economics if there's two centres they're going

to find two centres trading with one another. And, of course, if Australia

continues to grow at five per cent per year, which I hope you will

for the next few years, and the region recovers you're going

to have the pie getting bigger and bigger and you're going to

see the existence of two centres. We will lose some business to Australia

just like they will lose some to us. But overall I think both of us

will be better off with both of us succeeding as financial centres.

JOURNALIST:

On Indonesia, [inaudible] what if the electoral judgement may meet

international approval but does not satisfy the Indonesian population's

aspirations. What is Australia's stand on that?

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, that is a very hypothetical question and I'm not going

to try...

JOURNALIST:

[Inaudible] after the elections in Indonesia.

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, I'm not going to start canvassing how Australia might react

after the election, I'm telling you what we're going to

do to try and help the process and that is to be a very constructive

contributor to the electoral process. We'll naturally be urging

transparency. We'll be contributing resources. And that is the

appropriate thing for Australia to do at the moment.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister Goh, if I could just bring you back to the subject

of defence. The Australian Army has foreshadowed sending expeditionary

forces or having the ability to send expeditionary forces into the

region. Does that cause you some concern or do you welcome it, and

how do you think your other countries in the region would react to

that sort of a posture?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Maybe you should explain what you mean by sending expeditionary forces...

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, I think it's been rather, if I may say so, rather inelegantly

put. I mean, what they're really saying, as I understand it,

is they're altering the response capacity so that if the need

arises – I don't think we're sort of unilaterally going

to send a whole lot of expeditionary forces for no reason.

JOURNALIST:

... ability to do so, though, do you think that that represents

an unhealthy shift in Australian policy in this regard?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

I don't think so because Australia is a member of the five power

defence arrangements. And when the situation warrants it the members

who consult, so of course they consult and there are decisions on

follow-up actions. We do hope that Australia has got a capacity to

send forces beyond its shores or do so under certain definite circumstances

when Australia would have to send forces to help the region under

the agents of the five power defence arrangements. It doesn't

worry us. It's a capacity which any country must have, the ability

to project forces and prevent yourself from being swamped by others.

JOURNALIST:

What extent does this new army doctrine put pressure on the defence

budget to increase the capability to take part in these high intensity

conflicts? Will you be increasing the...

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, the Australian defence budget as you know has been quarantined,

at my insistence from the very day I became Prime Minister, from budget

cuts. And that will, of course, remain the situation. I don't

rule out at some stage in the future an increase in defence spending.

You never do and you have to adjust those things according to national

need. But it is important to make the point that defence has been

quarantined from expenditure cuts and we're obviously, as any

responsible government, concerned to ensure that the appropriate level

of resources is available and that means I don't rule out some

increase in the future.

JOURNALIST:

[Inaudible]...shared commitment to the – as open a world economy

as possible, did you discuss any ways in which you might be able to

encourage Malaysia to reverse the position it's taken?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Well, we did not discuss Malaysia in particular regarding the aspect

of opening up this economy. But we did discuss the importance of the

coming APEC meeting in September in New Zealand. And we'll be

working together with other like-minded countries to sustain this

momentum in getting the trading system open and if possible to have

another new round of negotiation under the WTO. So Malaysia's

cabinet control would, I'm sure, come into discussion if we do

have this discussion on how we can proceed with a new round for WTOs.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, you mentioned earlier Australia's growth rate.

Does it surprise you, and how important is it for your region?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Oh, it surprised me to be very frank. When I was here five years ago

I would not have expected Australia to grow by four or five per cent

per year. Two or three per cent was more in the order of my reckoning.

Certainly it's going to help the region because whatever growth

there is in Australia, small as the economy is compared to Japan,

it is still helpful. For example, we are now buying more services

from Australia - education, some financial services, information technology

and so on, although we are buying but you're helping the economy

otherwise we would not be buying from Australia. That contributes

to the growth in Australia but that also makes our economy more competitive.

So we welcome that. We just hope Australia can sustain this for a

few more years.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister Goh, what's your assessment of the stability problems

that Indonesia is having and some of the comments that President Habibie

has been making specifically about Singapore, do you see Indonesia's

problems affecting, as an immunity, having some impact on regional

organisations?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Neighbours sometimes behave like husband and wife. When the husband

is under stress because the husband might have lost his job, it's

the wife who gets the beating. Or, if it's the other way around,

the wife neglects the husband if she's under stress. So we accept

[inaudible]. What we hope to do in Singapore is to try and avoid being

a party in their own domestic elections. We would therefore say the

minimum to cause any provocations whatsoever from Indonesia. But certainly

the dire economic situation in Indonesia erode into its political

problems are affecting us, yes. Indonesia is a very important member

of ASEAN, the largest member. And if Indonesia is preoccupied with

its own domestic problems the [inaudible] to Indonesia is not able

to lead us in. And, of course, if you have this [inaudible] stresses

from time to time that will weaken us, yes.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, was Costello right to warn Australian republicans there'd

be no second chance after the referendum?

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

Well, I think it was fair to say that there's a range of views

on this whole issue inside the Government because being a free, open,

progressive, forward-looking political party, we allow an open vote.

I think it is right that you don't have referendums every day

of the week in this country. But it is also the case that if this

referendum is defeated, there is nothing to stop the emergence of

pressure within the Australian community for another referendum on

the issue at some time in the future. And it's entirely a matter

for the Australian people but Mr Costello is a supporter of the model

being put up in November. A lot of people agree with him. A lot of

people don't. We'll wait and see and we'll let the

Australian people decide this thing. But ultimately these things are

in the hands of the Australian people, not in the hands of us. If

the Australian people vote yes in November, we'll become a republic

on the 1st of January the year 2001. If the Australian

people vote no in November then there's nothing to stop another

referendum emerging, although I wouldn't think you'd have

another referendum within 12 months. It might take somewhat longer

than that. But there's absolutely nothing to stop another referendum

being held in the future. Now, I don't say that in any way to

influence how people vote. I think that is a fair and flat and honest

statement of the position. Referendums don't happen every day

of the week but on an issue like this it could well be that there

will be several votes before there's a final resolution on it.

I don't know. I find it very hard to read. You should remember

that in the lead up to Federation we had a number of votes. And, in

fact, the history of this country on referenda is that we've

had quite a number of votes on the same question. I seem to remember

we've had several referendum votes on simultaneous elections.

I think we've had several referendum votes many years apart on

the transfer of prices on incomes powers to the Federal Government.

So if you look at the history of Australia, we are more referendum

than many other countries because unlike other countries we put into

our constitution this provision that you couldn't change the

basic document without...

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard, when you say it could take several referendums before there's

a final resolution...

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

No, I didn't say that. I said that that could be the case, I'm

not saying it will be.

JOURNALIST:

So you're not suggesting then that eventually it's inevitable

that there will be a Constitutional change.

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

No I'm not saying that. I mean you could...I'm allowing

the possibility that there could be several votes. I mean if this

referendum is defeated all I'm saying is that at some time in

the future a Government will come back with another proposal. And

that could be defeated. I don't know, that's all I'm

saying.

JOURNALIST:

Tax credits. Do you think that tax credits still have little merit

given the support that the Business Council seems to be giving to

them, ...?

PRIME MINISTER HOWARD:

We have a view in relation to tax reform. It was put to the Australian

people at the last election and the Australian people voted for us

and we intend to implement that policy.

JOURNALIST:

Are you and Singapore concerned that the international community including

Australia maybe too preoccupied with the election process of Indonesia

rather than what happens after that?

PRIME MINISTER GOH CHOK TONG:

Well I think we are not, you know, overly occupied with the extra

process in Indonesia because that's a matter for the Indonesians.

But Prime Minister Howard has made an important point that the Indonesians

themselves must accept that the process is fair and clean otherwise

Indonesia will miss out on an opportunity for political stability,

because if there's no substance to the process then Indonesia

will reel into further problems. But beyond that I think we are concerned

with the general state of the region, politically as well as economically.

And of course the emphasis is on the economic side. Politics is beyond

us. It's the country's concern. On the economic side we

can discuss with international fora to see how we can help the region

to recover. So we are very seized with this economic crisis in the

region.

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