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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
31/05/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11171
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP INTERVIEW WITH JOHN MILLER – RADIO 4BC

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MILLER:

Prime Minister good morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

Good morning John.

MILLER:

Prime Minister now that the dust has settled after the, well you've

got to say, historical deal broken with the Democrats on Friday, do

you remain confident that your tax package is substantially still

intact?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh absolutely, we have got 85 to 90 per cent of what we took to the

people. We've preserved in full the tax cuts for people under $50,000

a year, that means 80 per cent of Australian tax payers will be on

a top marginal rate of no more than 30 cents in the dollar. It means

that you can pass from $20,000 of income to $50,000 of income without

going into a higher taxation bracket. We have preserved the agreement

with the States whereby after the transitional period the States will

have access to a growth tax and will be better off than they would

have been if the existing arrangement were to continue and we are

going to get rid of a raft of indirect taxes not as many as we initially

planned but the wholesales tax will go, financial institutions duty

will go six months later and the stamp duty on share transactions

will also go so overall it's a splendid outcome, one that I think

the Australian people will very warmly welcome.

MILLER:

On the subject of the fact that 80 per cent of Australians will be

on that much, much lower tax scale. The big question that's being

put to me this morning, is will those tax scales be indexed so that

we don't have the situation with that phrase I love bracket creep

that these people who currently will be eligible for the much lower

tax scales won't at the end of the day in five or six years wind up

back on the treadmill.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well John, the answer is that indexation is not included in the agreement

but it must immediately be said that if you have the same rate between

20,000 and 50,000 you don't need indexation because bracket creep

only occurs if you've got brackets to creep into and if you have no

new brackets between 20,000 and 50,000 your income can creep as much

as it likes in between those two ranges, those two points and not

pass into a higher tax bracket. So that's the whole virtue of this.

MILLER:

Well surely that's well and good for people who are starting at the

bottom end of the scale, what about say if I'm earning that $45,000

a year and a few years time....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, in a few years time who knows what other changes in a few years

time might be capable of being made. I mean one thing at a time. You're

talking about a situation in five or six years time. I'm talking about

a situation over the next 12 months and in the years immediately following

that. Now obviously you don't make a once only for all time adjustment

to tax scales you keep them under review. I'm not making any promises,

let me make that plain, but clearly the point you make will be kept

very much in mind by the Government as time goes by. But nothing can

alter the fact that we will have a revolutionary more incentive driven

tax system as a result of these changes that 80 per cent of people

will be on a top marginal rate of 30 cents in the dollar. Now that

is real incentive to middle Australia. There's been some paring back

of the cuts for higher income earners but somebody on $75,000 a year

will still get a tax cut of $62.00 a week so they can hardly say that

they're still not a great deal better off but the real value, the

really spectacular change occurs in the middle.

MILLER:

Alright let's look at those wholesale sales tax, you say that they're

all still to go?

PRIME MINISTER:

They are all going lock stock and barrel on the 1st of

July next year.

MILLER:

So when we go to the supermarket in July next year, August next year,

we should see substantial price reductions in some items.

PRIME MINISTER:

In some items they'll come down a lot. Other items will rise a bit

not as many of them as a result of the excision of food.

MILLER:

Alright let's look at the comments made by for example Terry McCran

in the Weekend Australian. He described it as a betrayal of a significant

slice of middle Australia, those rich people taking home between 680

and around $1,000 a week in wages. Now that is a substantial number

of people nowadays.

PRIME MINISTER:

But I don't know how something's a betrayal if you still get a tax

cut. I just don't know. I read that article and I have a lot of respect

for Terry McCran but on this I think he's off the pace. Those people

are still getting a tax cut but I don't understand what Terry's getting

at. I don't accept there's been any betrayal. How can something be

a betrayal if you preserve in full the tax cuts for everybody up to

$50,000, beyond 50,000 you still get an additional tax cut but it's

not as generous as previously committed and you're taking out food,

how can that be a betrayal? I just don't understand that language.

MILLER:

The front page of the Courier Mail, also Prime Minister, there's a

young couple there, they are both upwardly mobile, professional people,

they're on good comfortable wages.........

PRIME MINISTER:

What incomes? I haven't seen the Courier, what incomes?

MILLER:

Well just off the top of my head I think they're around, they're talking

around the 60 - $70,000 mark.

PRIME MINISTER:

What each, each.

MILLER:

Well certainly with the father. Let's take him as an example.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well he would get, have they got any children?

MILLER:

Yes they have two children.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well if the family income, now I don't know I haven't seen the paper,

but if the family income is below $70,000 and they've got a couple

of kids they do very well.

MILLER:

Well this chap is quoted in the paper as saying that he doesn't think

on his analysis of the situation that they will be doing well, that

their tax cuts will be minimal and that the end of the day they're

not going to be any better off..........

PRIME MINISTER:

Well if his income is in the order of $70,000 a year and he has children

his tax cuts will not be minimal. They'll be very substantial.

MILLER:

Ok.

PRIME MINISTER:

They will be very substantial but I am talking blind because I haven't

seen the paper.

MILLER:

I understand that, I understand that. Look we'll leave that aside

for the moment, just going back as I said quickly to that essential

issue of as well as the tax benefits, is it a fact that we are going

to be able to police the passing on of this GST, sorry the abolition

of the wholesale sales tax and the implementation of the GST so that

retailers will deliver substantial cost to many items in the supermarket

trolley.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes. They will be under enormous public scrutiny and public pressure

to make sure that the full value of the removal of the wholesale sales

tax is passed on. Of course they will be. And there'll be additional

powers given to the ACCC to ensure that that happens.

MILLER:

So at the end of the day I suppose we can say we now have 12 months

where people can study, they can look at what's going to happen and

I suppose there is some tidying up to do around the edges as to what

will be GST free and what won't be GST free.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the design principles of that have been agreed with the Democrats.

Now the actual writing of the legislation has to accord with those

design principles but that will be achieved. The agreement will be

honored in full, there won't be any chiseling away of the agreement

with the Australian Democrats. It was entered into in good faith and

it will be kept in good faith and we do have 12 months and there will

be an extensive public education campaign once the legislation's passed,

there'll be plenty of information made available to the Australian

public, there'll be a lot of assistance given to traders, there'll

be many methods of explaining the operation of the new system and

we've got a whole year for it to come into operation. We're not the

first country in the world who've adopted this kind of system. But

there's a tendency when ever anything big like this happens in Australia

for some people to fuss at the peripheries and lose sight of the grand

design of it and the historic reform that's represented by it.

Now we would have preferred food not be carved out but once Senator

Harradine said no or I cannot it was necessary to see if we could

reach an agreement on another basis and the Democrats felt strongly

about the exclusion of basic food and I knew that I wouldn't get an

agreement with them unless the Government agreed to that. Now it's

as simple as that. The alternative was to walk away entirely and throw

away years of work and throw away the best opportunity this country

has ever had for major tax reform and I wasn't prepared to do that

and that's why I reached the agreement and I'm glad I did and Meg

Lees is clearly glad that she did because we've done something good

for the long term benefit of the country.

MILLER:

Alright. So once again just finally no indexation at this time of

those tax scales.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well no necessity to index tax for 80 per cent of the Australian population

because 80 per cent of them will be below 30 per cent. I mean you

only need indexation if there are a whole lot of brackets that you're

passing into.

MILLER:

Alright. Now may I just change the subject for one moment before we

let you go.

PRIME MINISTER:

Absolutely.

MILLER:

The fate of those two Australian Care workers in Yugoslavia. What

is the Federal Government going to try and do here.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well everything we humanly can. It's very difficult. It's hard to

fathom the basis on which this verdict was given, it does seem very

severe. It seems extraordinary that it was brought down despite the

rejection of the original charges. There is an appeal being prepared

and we hope that is successful and we'll use every diplomatic means

at our disposal to try and get them home.

MILLER:

Will any consideration be given to sending some sort of special emissary

a-la Jessie Jackson to Yugoslavia?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well he's not a citizen of Australia but we will...........

MILLER:

Well no I'm not talking about him but someone of that calibre.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Malcolm Fraser's been on a number of occasions, former Prime

Minister, the Chairman of Care Australia. We will try everything we

can John, every single thing we can and I don't mind if it is the

national of another country. If I thought that would get these two

men out I would ask the national of another country to go but the

indications are that that won't necessarily work. But we will continue

to try and we feel for the families. We feel for them very, very deeply

and they're very much in the thoughts of millions of Australians at

this difficult and very stressful time for them.

MILLER:

Prime Minister John Howard thanks for talking to us this morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

Pleasure.

MILLER:

Bye.

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