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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
24/02/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP DOORSTOP INTERVIEW MICHAEL PHOTIOS’ CAMPAIGN OFFICE, RYDE, NSW

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JOURNALIST:

Is the heroin trial an option at all...(inaudible)... constructive

alternatives?

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes, I am looking for constructive alternatives but the views that

I have on a heroin trial have not changed. And those views are based

not on some kind of old-fashioned knee jerk reaction of a heroin trial,

they are based on examining what has happened in relation to those

trials around the world. They are also based on a concern I have that

there's always a danger in our society that when a problem looks

as though it may be extremely difficult to solve then a rather instinctive

reaction of some people is to say, well, let's try this, and

maybe that'll solve it without thinking through the consequences

of trying that alternative. And there are many people who believe

that the conduct of a heroin trial would send a very bad signal, would

say to the community that it represents the first step down towards

a far more liberal approach to the drug activity and to the drug trade.

And they are some of the reasons why I don't support a heroin

trial. Could I also say that I think it's important that the

issue of a heroin trial whether you are for it or against it is not

really the major issue. The major issue is to have an effective strategy

in those three areas. So much of the debate now is either about a

heroin trial or the law enforcement side. Now, the law enforcement

is very important but so is education and so is rehabilitation. And

we have put more resources than any Federal Government of the past,

and I don't say that critically of former federal governments,

I am not interested in pointing the finger at former federal governments

or indeed of any State governments. We have put more resources into

rehabilitation through the programmes I announced progressively through

1997 and 1998 than any federal government.

JOURNALIST:

What do you think of the comments last night of the New South Wales

[inaudible]...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I don't agree with him nor I notice does Mr Carr and nor

I notice does the New South Wales Coalition. I don't believe

that the community supports the sort of approach that Mr Cowdery outlined.

I respect his view. I mean, one of the difficulties in this issue

is that everybody who is styled as an expert has a different point

of view. And people say, let's have a meeting of experts. That's

fine, the problem is you won't get a united view out of the experts.

Some people who work in the field have a very different view from

others. I have talked to many parents who have lost children from

drug overdoses and one of the perplexing, difficult tragic things

in those discussions apart from the personal hurt so many of them

feel understandably, and the sense of desolation that they feel, is

that they too have very different views. Some of those parents have

a view that no response can be tough enough. Others have a completely

different view and what that really means is that in the end you have

got to use your best judgement as a human being and you can't

just say....it's not just a medical problem, it's a behavioural

problem. Of course people start substance abuse and drug taking because

of unhappiness and depression and a sense of personal failure and

a lack of self-esteem. There are a whole variety of personal reasons

as to why people start and, of course, it's right when people

say the way you stop it is to attack the causes. But successfully

attacking the causes of itself is not a good enough response to the

community. No community will accept a government that goes soft on

people who are making money out of other people's misery and

death. And any government that even breathes of that is a government

that is failing the community but equally we have a responsibility

to help the victims of drug abuse. And when I talk about zero tolerance

I am talking about zero tolerance on drug traffickers, I am talking

about zero tolerance in schools but I am also talking about having

an understanding of people who have got a problem and helping those

people through rehabilitation programmes.

JOURNALIST:

Those proposals that you are taking to the meeting.....

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh look, I am not going to even talk about the detail of them yet

but obviously they'll be proposals that are constructive. And

I am deliberately going to have the meeting....the meeting's

on the 9th of April that's after the New South Wales

election and I think that's the right time to have it.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, will there be any diversion [inaudible]....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, it's an ongoing thing and you need to take...to have

fresh proposals or variations of proposals all the time. But I am

not going to, at this stage, foreshadow what's going to be in

them. I am simply going to say that I'll go to that meeting keen

to discuss the issue with the State Premiers keen to ensure that what

we are already doing collectively is understood by the Australian

community. I am not interested in a polemical debate about, you know,

who is, sort of, keener on tackling drug abuse and whether one person

is more active than the next. I am just interested in working together

and I'll have some new ideas to put on the table. But they certainly

won't in any way derogate from or undermine or be contrary to

what we have already proposed. Because what we have already proposed

is really a very, very strong programme.

JOURNALIST:

Do State governments need to increase police numbers?

PRIME MINISTER:

Look, I don't want to get into...look, I mean, I think one

of the last things that should happen in this debate is that States

should be giving the Federal Government a, sort of, unsolicited generic

advice and that the Federal Government should be giving the States

unsolicited generic advice. I would say to any State Premier of Australia

who is seriously interested in co-operating with me and in co-operating

with the Federal Government, let us sit down first of all in private

and have a serious discussion about it, otherwise it simply becomes

a captive of the normal political exchange that goes on between Premiers

and Prime Ministers. And frankly this is too serious for that sort

of issue. I am not interested in saying who is right or who is wrong

at a State level. I don't care what their politics are but I

am interested in having a serious discussion with the elected Premiers

and Chief Ministers of the States and Territories of Australia on

the 9th of April. But until then I am not going to be found

to be criticising any State Premiers and frankly if they are interested

in working with us they shouldn't be seeking to, sort of, demonstrate

that they are more interested in fighting the problem than somebody

else.

JOURNALIST:

Do you see that the drugs issue will become a.....issue in the

State election campaign?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, that is a matter for the parties. Look, it should be talked

about, it should be debated and the policies of the two parties should

be presented and should be decided upon by the people of Australia.

And obviously the people of New South Wales and obviously, I am in

practice you see, obviously people will make a judgement on it. And

I think the priority that has been given to crime prevention generally

is a very, very important priority because crime is an issue that

is of concern to people. But it is tremendously easy for the debate

to get picked up and sensationalised and trivialised and misunderstood

and I really don't want to myself get into a slanging match or

a debating exchange in public in this sort of general pointless way

with State Premiers.

JOURNALIST:

PM, will the .....take advice from any so called experts?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh look, I have got an open mind about...look, you always get a,

I mean, I am getting advice...I get advice every day from experts

on everything and that's, you know, that's part and parcel

of political life. But in the end, the only people who can decide

policy change in this country are the elected leaders of the people.

And in the end, most of these issues involve a judgement by human

beings of goodwill who are trying to reach the right decision for

the benefit of the community. Now, I talk to police about drugs, I

talk to people who are working at the sharp end of the human misery

like Salvation Army officers. I talk to doctors, I talk to psychologists,

I am going to talk to the Director of the FBI on Friday. Now, it's

not for any other reason that I think it's important. He was

always going to see me anyway. But I think it's important that

a man like that you listen to, he'll no doubt give me some run

down on what's happened in the United States that doesn't

necessarily mean I am going to say, well let's do all of that

in Australia. I am never one for slavishly copying what is done in

the United States or indeed anywhere else. But you draw your information

from a whole variety of sources but in the end, you have got to make

the decision. And in the end I accept that once I am unwilling to

take political decisions and be seen by the public as accepting responsibility

for them, that is the time to give politics away and that time has

not arrived.

JOURNALIST:

[inaudible]

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I don't use the expression give-away. I think it's

an excellent policy and can I, I'm glad you asked me that question

because it allows me to say something about privatisation. I mean

there's one big difference between the Coalition and the Labor

Party at both the State and the Federal level on privatisation, and

that is that we are up front and honest about our position. We believe

in privatisation. We believe that there are economic benefits for

the nation, and in the case of New South Wales for the State, in privatising

those assets. We believe that people should get a return, a personal

return out of that privatisation which is what is being proposed by

the New South Wales Coalition. Everybody knows that Bob Carr and Michael

Egan were desperate to privatise the New South Wales power authority

and everyone knows they were prevented from doing it by the union

bosses of the Labor Party. And everybody knows that Kim Beazley, when

he was Finance Minister in the Keating and Hawke Governments loved

privatising assets like QANTAS, the Commonwealth Bank and Australian

Airlines. Now he's in Opposition he's hypocritically opposing

it. The unions rolled Carr and Egan and now they're hypocritically

attacking the Coalition. Now I think they just ought to stay out of

that because they have no credibility on it.

JOURNALIST:

Will you take the shares or cash?

PRIME MINISTER:

The shares or the cash? Well I haven't considered that yet. And

in fact I've been living in Canberra for the last month.

JOURNALIST:

What's your principal place of residence?

PRIME MINISTER:

What's my principal place of.....? Well I vote in the electorate

of Bennelong.

JOURNALIST:

Do you still have a power bill?

PRIME MINISTER:

I do have a power bill. I still have a power bill for 19 Milner Crescent

Woollstonecraft.

JOURNALIST:

[inaudible] benchmark for future privatisations? Will the Federal

Government [inaudible] on those kinds of give-aways or privatisations

you're planning to...?

PRIME MINISTER:

I don't think anything necessarily sets or doesn't set a

benchmark. I think it depends entirely on the circumstances. But I

think what Kerry has proposed in New South Wales is sensible, it's

clever, it's innovative, it brings home to people the value for

them of the privatisation.

JOURNALIST:

Is it a bribe?

PRIME MINISTER:

No it's not a bribe. How is it as bribe to return the benefit

of something to all of the people and that is what she is doing. She

is returning the benefit of the sale of that asset to all of the people.

I don't think that is a bribe. A bribe is something that you

give in totally different circumstances. I mean, of course the critics

of it are going to call it a bribe. I don't think it is at all.

I think it is a very novel, intelligent way of returning to the people,

and reminding the people of the benefits of privatisation.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, is it fair to link university grants to [inaudible]

union fees?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think it is very fair for the law to prevent compulsory unionism

in universities as it does in the private workplace or in the public

sector. I find the claim being made by the Vice-Chancellors Organisation

this morning that in some way this is an interference in the autonomy

of universities. I find that quite extraordinary because if a private

company practices discrimination or compulsory unionism, under the

law of Australia they can't do it. Yet apparently the universities

are asserting the right to do it. I think it is entirely fair to ensure

that the law against discrimination is properly enforced.

JOURNALIST:

Is it fair to cut grants to universities?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think it is fair to take whatever reasonable steps to make certain

that that law is enforced.

JOURNALIST:

You have spoken about the economy today. [inaudible] under threat

from Asia or over....?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I think there are good signs that the worst of the Asian economic

downturn has past us, although it will still be some time before the

economies of most of the Asian countries worst effected, that most

of them....it will still be time before they are out of the woods.

I think Australia has come through the Asian economic downturn remarkably

well and that is a credit to the Australian people first and foremost.

It also reflects very well on the policies of the Coalition Government.

The current outlook for the Australian economy remains very strong

and I haven't seen fundamentals in the Australian economy as

strong as they have been now since the late 1960s. You have to go

back to that time to find a period where the Australian economy has

been as strong.

JOURNALIST:

Is the worst over Prime Minister?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I never like dealing in absolutes like that because.....is

the worst over in relation to Asia? Look, the signs are that the worst

is probably behind us but I say that with a degree of caution.

Thank you.

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