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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
18/03/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11069
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH KENDALL HODGMAN NEWS RADIO, ABC

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HODGMAN:

John Howard joins us live from Melbourne where he has just announced

$20 million funding for community agencies as part of the Federal

Government's Tough on Drugs strategy. Prime Minister, thanks

for joining News Radio.

PRIME MINISTER:

It's a pleasure.

HODGMAN:

Let's start out with your vision of tackling the burgeoning drug

problem in Australia, what is the solution?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, the way to go about it is to attack it on three levels. You

must have effective law enforcement, you must have effective education

of children in particular against the dangers of commencing drug taking

and you must have adequate treatment facilities for addicts who want

to kick their habit. And our Tough on Drugs strategy of $290 million

is about providing more resources in those three areas. One is no

more important than the other two. They are all important. You have

got to give the police and the customs extra resources. You have got

to station Australian Federal Police in countries like Thailand so

they can pick up intelligence about drugs that are being sent to Australia.

You also need to warn young people, particularly through the schools,

about the dangers of drugs and you also need adequate treatment facilities.

And what I announced today was in that third area. We are providing

to something like 50 organisations all over Australia an additional

$20 million which will really give those organisations more resources

to help people who have got a problem and who up until now haven't

been able to get enough assistance. And one of the more distressing

elements of the drug problem that I have encountered is talking on

talkback radio to the parents of young people who have got a problem,

want to do something about it but can't find a place in a treatment

facility. Now, whatever views you might have on other aspects of how

to fight the drug problem, I think everybody agrees that there should

be adequate facilities for people who have got an addiction and want

to do something about it. Now, hitherto this has been mainly something

that has been dealt with at a State level. We think there is a federal

responsibility as well and that's why we have made a lot more

money available and I am very pleased with the range of facilities

that we are helping today in all parts of Australia, in every State

and we have had hundreds of applications and we have made grants to

50-odd organisations. And from the response that I got at the launch

today it is obvious that the resources are very welcome.

HODGMAN:

Apart from the drugs problem I would like to cover three big R's and,

I think, there are probably three R's I'd like to cover –

reconciliation, republic and revenue. And by that I mean tax and Telstra

privatisation. What do you see your role as in shaping this course

of change for Australia?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, we need a new taxation system. We have needed a new taxation

system for 20 years. And we had an election where we put our political

bodies on the line, we laid out the detail and the people voted for

us and we are asking the Senate to respect the decision of the Australian

people last October and I hope that it will. It is yet to take a vote

and I think we should wait and see how the Senate responds. I hope

it will respond in accordance with the wishes of the Australian public.

The Australian public did return us. There will be enormous benefits

for our exporters if we can get a new tax system. They will be a lot

cheaper because under a GST exports are cheaper. We will be cutting

the costs of our domestic industries, we'll be particularly cutting

the cost of our fuel for our farmers and miners and that's very

important, and we'll be providing significant personal income

tax cuts, $13 billion worth in addition to family package, particularly

targeted to families with children of $2 billion on top of that $13

billion. So there's a huge reform at stake and our argument very

simply is that we told the public all about this before the election

and the public voted for us and we told them all the detail of it.

We probably exceeded the detail provided in an election campaign,

provided by any former government, and we are just saying a very simple

thing to the Australian people and also to the Senators who will finally

make a decision on this before the 30th of June, please

remember that the Australian people voted for us and if you believe

in representative democracy then you'll take note of that decision.

HODGMAN:

Because I have not spoken to you before I am interested in getting

an insight into John Howard the person. What would you say are the

qualities you bring to Australia?

PRIME MINISTER:

Candour, tenacity, an understanding of what the mainstream is concerned

about. A belief in the infinite decency of the Australian people,

a confident view of our past, not a blinkered view, not a view that

says we never made mistakes, we didn't treat some people less

well than we should have. Of course we have blemishes but I have an

essentially optimistic view both of Australia's past and of Australia's

future and that's what the Australian people need. But it has

to be a realistic optimism, it has to be an optimism tempered by a

recognition that we are forever part of a globalised world economy

and anybody who thinks that we can turn back the clock and put up

the walls of protection and return to a fortressed Australia are kidding

themselves.

HODGMAN:

Okay. So recent events in East Timor, for instance, have given Australia

cause to reflect on its role in the region over the past quarter century.

What have you as our current Prime Minister learnt from the lessons

of the past?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I think I am rather more interested in what I have done and

I have probably done more than any prime minister, particularly in

recent times, to alter Australian policy on East Timor. I have no

doubt that the views I put to Dr Habibie, the Indonesian President,

before Christmas when I wrote to him urging a significant change in

the policy of the Indonesian Government, I have no doubt that that

had a major impact on Indonesian thinking. Now, it's very easy

from the vantage point of 1999 to say that something that was done

in 1975 or 1979 was wrong. I don't do that. I can understand

why attitudes were taken then. The important thing is to get it right

now and we say that ultimately the views of the East Timorese people

must be obeyed and if they ultimately opt for independence, well independence

they will have. We would prefer in their interests and in the interests

of the stability of the region to have a period of autonomy before

that full independence occurs. The resources of that territory are

very meagre, they will be even less if there is an abrupt withdrawal

of Indonesian support. In any event, Australia has special responsibilities

because we are close to East Timor and we will discharge our responsibilities.

The Australian Government will not be reluctant to see that we discharge

our responsibilities. And it's because we are willing to do that

and because we have been a good friend of Indonesia's and of

the people of East Timor that we can express our views so very strongly.

HODGMAN:

Staying with reconstruction and reconciliation to the task of healing

the wounds between black and white Australia. We have heard your reasons

for not saying sorry, for not.....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, no. People keep saying, not saying sorry. I mean, a person can

be personally sorry and I have said any number of times that I am

personally sorry for any injustices committed against any Australian

in the past. As an individual human being of course I am sorry and

if you actually analyse what I said at the Reconciliation Congress

in 1997 you'll find that I had quite a bit to say about that

from a personal point of view. I have just expressed a view about

a national apology in relation to the events of earlier generations

where I don't believe that is appropriate and that remains my

view.

HODGMAN:

This morning the Australian newspaper has reported that Cabinet

has approved the Constitutional preamble which fails to recognise

the aboriginal custodianship of Australia's past, is that the

case?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think people should wait and see the preamble before they jump to

conclusions.

HODGMAN:

Okay. Given that this has been a major sticking point as far as the

Constitution debate is concerned, are you expecting further tension

on the road to reconciliation?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I don't think that last statement is correct. I think the

two are somewhat different issues. As far as reconciliation is concerned

I said on election night that I would like to see it realised and

we'll try very hard and there's goodwill on the part of

the Government and there's a lot of hard work being put in to

see if some agreement can't be reached in relation to a document.

But it's not going to be easy and I don't want to raise

expectations unduly but there's goodwill on our part and there's

immense goodwill on the part of most Australians. But equally most

Australians are far more interested in the future than the past and

the more there is a dwelling on the past in so many things the less

attention is commanded of the Australian people.

HODGMAN:

You recall your election victory speech, you set a very tight timeframe

for reconciliation. It is a sensitive process. Do you think it is

possible to achieve in two years?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, the reconciliation timetable was not set by me it was set by

the Act of the Australian Parliament that established a council for

reconciliation and that puts a timeframe of a couple of years on it.

So it was with that in mind that I made those comments.

HODGMAN:

Is it possible?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I am going to try, I can't make...do more than that.

It's difficult but there's goodwill and in order to achieve

an outcome there has to be goodwill on all sides. And I know that

there are many people within the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

community who have immense goodwill towards whoever is in government,

whether it's a Coalition government or a Labor government. And

they are interested in a positive future between indigenous and other

Australians.

HODGMAN:

Okay. From reconciliation onto another one of the R's –

the republic. From your position of Prime Minister of Australia how

do you rate the importance of the debate?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I have never rated it as highly as some other people have but

I have always said that I would not in any way prevent the Australian

people making a decision on this issue. And that is why we promised

to have a Constitutional Convention and I said that if out of that

Convention there was strong support for a particular model I would

put that model. And that is exactly what I have done, I have remained

true and straight to the commitments I made to the Australian public.

I don't find that people are very excited about the issue either

way. It is rarely raised with me in my ordinary work as Prime Minister.

I don't find Australians generally particularly interested either

way. Now, that may change as we get closer to the referendum and it's

too early to make a judgement either about the outcome or indeed about

the level of interest. But speaking as of now I have to say to you,

Kendall, that it is not something that people raise with me. The only

people who raise the issue with me are journalists.

HODGMAN:

So if you had your way how would you have preferred to have spent

the amount of money that is going to be spent on the referendum?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I've never really thought about that because I have always

taken the view that you have to spend some money on democracy. I mean,

it's very easy for people to say well it's a waste of money

to have this or that. If you carry that to its logical conclusion

you don't have any elections. Now, heavens above you can't

have a democracy without consulting the people. I have accepted all

along that there would probably be a referendum so therefore I have

not really devoted any attention to that. Look, I made a promise to

the public and I intend to keep that promise.

HODGMAN:

So let's get onto other aspects of revenue now, you have a very

big year ahead as far as getting the tax package up and ready for

implementation by next year. You have said it is the most important

piece of legislation you will ever present to the Parliament. What

difficulties do you foresee given what has happened in the Senate

with Telstra?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I don't know that I can add much to what I said a few moments

ago that in order to make this law it needs to pass through the Senate

and the Australian people voted for the package. We are going through

a process of Senate inquiries at the present time, we'll get

reports from Senate committees. I suspect that many of those reports

will reflect already known views about the issue from the different

vantage points of politics and in the end the Senate will have to

make a decision. And I can only say again to the Labor Party, to the

Australian Democrats and to the Independents in the Senate that we

did have an election last October, we did lay out all of the detail

of our plan before the election, we didn't hold anything back,

no government in the history of Australia has gone into more detail

on an important issue than did we before the last election. We were

told by many people it was politically foolish to do so and we were

told that it was crazy and all those sorts of things. But in the end

we did it, we were honest with the Australian people, we were up-front

with them, we laid out our plan, we won the election and what we are

saying to those who hold the numbers in the Senate, please remember

that.

Now, if in the face of all of that they don't take heed of the

Australian people well, we argue that that would be a very, very disappointing

thing for them to do to say the least. But I don't want to at

this stage pre-empt what the Senate is going to do. The Senate has

made it clear, or the Labor Party and others in the Senate have....they

said they want to have an inquiry process, well we accept that they

had the numbers to bring that on and that's happening now. I

understand that the Labor Party is committed to having a definitive

vote before the 30th of June. Clearly our prospects of

getting it through before the 30th of June are greater

than after the 30th of June. So we just have to wait and

see but it is an important test of whether the authority and the will

of the Australian people is heeded.

HODGMAN:

Before you go Prime Minister, just a couple of quick fire questions

on the day's current affairs. How damaging do you think that

the IOC bribery scandal has been to Sydney hosting the Olympic Games

next year?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, in the end when we get to the games people will have put it

behind them but I can't say that the publicity of the past few

months has been in any way helpful. But it's one of those very

difficult situations. Everybody wants the games to be a success. As

an Australian and as the Australian Prime Minister the time the games

are being held, I am immensely proud of the fact that they have come

to Australia and it is an Australian event, it's not just a Sydney

event although they are being held in Australia. And I am quite certain

that as we get to the countdown when that torch relay commences in

Australia there will be a tremendous surge of excitement but the excitement

and the pride will be directed towards the performance of the athletes.

I don't think it will be directed elsewhere and that is how it

should be.

HODGMAN:

Do you have any advice for Phil Coles?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, look, if I had any advice in relation to that I wouldn't

be giving it publicly but I can only say that the events....a whole

range of events in relation to this have been, to say the least, extremely

disappointing.

HODGMAN:

And what's your response to the Australian Conservation Foundation's

comment that the Beverley Uranium Mine will make for the creation

of a nuclear waste dump in the outback more likely?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, I am very surprised at that. I hadn't had it reported to

me previously, you are the first person who has drawn it to my attention.

Now, I am not criticising you for raising it but I don't believe

that that is the case at all and I am surprised at the comment.

HODGMAN:

Politics aside, Prime Minister, when you're making decisions

particularly economic decisions which impact on everyone, what do

you see as the quintessential ordinary Australian on whose behalf

you are making decisions?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well there's, I don't think of one particular model of an

ordinary Australian and I don't usually use the expression ‘ordinary'

very often myself. I try and avoid using it, it sounds rather a patronising

expression. I often use ‘the mainstream'. But I try and

make decisions based upon the maximum benefit for the maximum number

of Australians. And there is no doubt that the economic decisions

that we have taken have benefited to a very significant degree the

maximum number of Australians. We have delivered historically low

interest rates, historically low inflation, very strong economic growth,

400,000 more jobs in three years, the strongest growing economy in

the western world, an economy which is, despite the Asian downturn,

been able to shift exports away from the Asia-Pacific region into

more profitable destinations.

So all of those things have greatly benefited millions of Australians.

Now, there are some Australians who haven't got the benefit of

that but if we'd have taken different decisions fewer Australians

would have been helped and more Australians would have been harmed

because high interest rates affects the mainstream of the Australian

community, high inflation does. More unemployment, all of those things

adversely affect more people. So what one tries to do is to take decisions

that are fair and take decisions that maximise benefits for the largest

number of Australians possible.

HODGMAN:

Prime Minister, thank you for your time today.

PRIME MINISTER:

It's been a pleasure.

[ends]

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