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Transcripts from the Prime Ministers of Australia

Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
17/02/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11059
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE PRIME MINISTER’S COURTYARD, PARLIAMENT HOUSE

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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to canvass a number of issues

this morning. The first is, of course, the quite outrageous behaviour

of the Senate in potentially destroying 50,000 Australian jobs by

knocking back the Government's regulation on unfair dismissals.

This is a completely irresponsible piece of behaviour by the Labor

Party, the Democrats and others in the Senate. This has been part

of our policy for a long time. It was voted on at the last election.

We'll introduce the legislation again to the Senate, which is

now in the House and it will go to the Senate in a few weeks time.

And we'll give them another opportunity to vote for jobs and

not against jobs.

And I give fair notice to the Australian Labor Party and the Australian

Democrats that every month that employment figures come out in this

country the Australian public will be reminded that but for their

behaviour the employment figures would potentially be 40,000 to 50,000

better. And the Labor Party will have another opportunity to show

what it thinks about preserving jobs, particularly for young Australians,

when it's asked to vote on the legislation to entrench the youth

wage within Australian awards. According, not to the Government but

to people in the retail industry, that involves 230,000 jobs for young

Australians.

Jobs is of overwhelming concern to the Australian community. It's

an ongoing mainstream issue and here you have the alternative government

of this country and the Australian Democrats voting to destroy Australian

jobs. And they won't be allowed by the Government to forget their

behaviour and they won't be allowed to forget the contribution

that they have made to the destruction of job opportunities for people

in small business. The evidence is overwhelming. It is independent

of government assessment. And we will not tire in our efforts to further

relieve small business of the burden and the deterrent impact of the

threat of unfair dismissal actions.

The other issue that I would like to briefly comment upon relates

to the referendum in November of this year. The Joint Party Room,

last night, approved in principle the Government's proposals

in relation to the holding of a referendum on whether or not Australia

should become a republic. The Party Room approved the model that came

out of the Constitutional Convention last year. The Party Room also

approved, overwhelmingly, the proposal I put to it on behalf of the

Government that there should be another question put to the Australian

people. And that related to the adoption into the Constitution, or

the incorporation into the Constitution, of a preamble which would

canvass a number of matters including an acknowledgement of the prior

occupancy of the land mass of Australia by the Aboriginal people and

some of the other matters that I have mentioned in the course of the

past few days.

There was a very strong sense of support within the Party Room and

a sense of occasion, a feeling that this was a good time for something

to be incorporated into the Australian Constitution about the history

of this country and some of the undeniable truths.

What I intend to do over the next few weeks is to settle the precise

form of that preamble. I will, of course, reserve the right to consult

others on the preparation of that – not that I doubt my capacity

to pen the odd word but I will certainly not to be so presumptuous

as to pass up the opportunity of seeking the advice of other gifted

wordsmiths within the Australian community. And we'll then be

presenting the final polished form of it to the Party Room, along

with the bill that was outlined by Daryl Williams yesterday dealing

with the republican issue for a final tick from the Party Room. We

then, of course, will engage, in relation to the republican legislation,

a process of consultation with the Opposition and others in the community.

And I'll also seek the views of the Opposition on the preamble.

We do intend to go ahead with the preamble and there is a very strong

view in the Party Room that we should go ahead with it. I will be

campaigning actively for a ‘yes' vote. There wouldn't,

I expect, be any Ministers who would be campaigning against the preamble

and, technically, it is a conscience vote because I gave an undertaking

at the Constitutional Convention that things relating to the republic

would be the subject of that. But I think it's fair of me to

say, and I think it's been pretty accurately reported in the

papers this morning, that you're really looking at a de facto

government position because there was really very little opposition

to the idea in the Party Room. And it is possible – I'm

not making this prediction – but it's possible there may

not be anybody who wants to vote against it when it comes before the

Parliament.

I should point out a couple of other things, that the republican legislation

is government policy, the republic is not government policy but the

holding of the referendum is government policy and, therefore, of

course, the legislation to put it before the people is government

legislation. But in order to allow for the official ‘yes'

and ‘no' cases it will be accepted and arranged and understood

that a number of government Members and Senators will vote against

the legislation in the Parliament, not because they're breaking

ranks with government policy to have the referendum but because that

is needed so that they can officially write the ‘no' case.

And the identity of those people will be worked out in consultation

with the Deputy Prime Minister and myself. There are plenty of volunteers,

I can assure you, who want to vote ‘no' because they're

not in favour of the republic. But I should point out, so as to forestall

any stories about people trying to stop the referendum being held,

that they won't be trying to stop the referendum being held,

it's just necessary, according to the law, if you're to

have an officially circulated ‘no' case somebody must have

voted against it in the Parliament.

I also indicated yesterday that we would have some public funding

of television, radio, newspaper and other material during the intensive

stage of the campaign. Fifteen million dollars is being made available

- $7.5 million to the ‘yes' case, $7.5 million to the ‘no'

case. The respective cases for the expenditure of that, or the material

for the expenditure of that money, will be prepared by committees

– nine people on each side, including what I might loosely call

the usual suspects. There will be a majority of non-parliamentarians

on each committee. There will be no Ministers on either committee

and there'll be no frontbenchers from the Labor Party on either

committee. We're in the process of contacting the people that

we have in mind. It's fair to say that Mr Turnbull will be on

one of the committees and Mrs Jones will be on another. There will

be, if he accepts, one direct election republican on the ‘no'

committee because that compromises part of the case against the republic.

And there will, on the ‘yes' committee, be somebody who

advocated the McGarvie model at the Constitutional Convention but

decided in the end, when that dropped out on the exhaustive voting

principle, to support the Australian Republican Movement's model.

We are, as I say, contacting the people and they are government nominees,

they're not people who have been nominated by the ACM or the

Australian Republican Movement. And when that's been completed

I'll be pleased to announce the names. They were all members

of the Constitutional Convention. And there will be, I think, three

politicians on the ‘yes' committee and two politicians on

the ‘no' committee. I think that's the most sensible

way of handling that issue.

There will be liaison between those two groups and the committees

officially writing the ‘yes' and ‘no' booklets

to be circulated to the households. And the material that they prepare

will be submitted to the Government for audit through the normal processes

but the Government won't be expressing the view as to the political

or campaign impact of any of the material. That will be entirely a

matter for the committees to determine.

In addition to that, we'll also be at an official and neutral

level circulating some material of an educative nature some months

before the referendum campaign, perhaps by means of newspaper supplements

and the like to provide a bit more information on the working of the

Australian Constitution so that people have a better idea of the background

against which the referendum is going to take place.

I should emphasise that the preamble question, the separate preamble

question, will be a republic neutral question so that, naturally,

it will be open to any Australian who wishes to vote ‘no'

to the republic, to vote ‘yes' to the preamble. And I should

make that absolutely clear.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, how attracted are you to some of the other ideas that

were thrust up in the Party Room yesterday about the preamble specifically

acknowledging the contribution of migration and of cultural diversity

to the nation?

PRIME MINISTER:

I said, Jim, that I'd consider a number of those and I don't

want to respond more than that at the moment because it's very

much in the works. And I'd like the opportunity, having heard

those suggestions, to reflect on how a number of things might be expressed

but I certainly listened to what people had to say and it was an extremely

valuable positive discussion, but I don't want to be anymore

specific than that at this stage.

JOURNALIST:

Must under the law there be a ‘no' case against the preamble,

and if so how do you get that?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well no. I'm advised that under the law there doesn't have

to be a ‘no' case. There's only a ‘no' case

under the law if people, as I understand it, vote against the measure

in the Parliament.

JOURNALIST:

And if they do does there then have to be [inaudible]? Say if Mr Katter

voted.....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well look, I'm not going to answer a hypothetical question. You

asked me a question about the law and that's the law.

JOURNALIST:

Your previous stance was that you weren't going to take an active

role on a day to day basis.

PRIME MINISTER:

In relation to the republic.

JOURNALIST:

Now that you're going to take an active role in relation to the

preamble, does that suggest that you may take a more active role in

relation to the republic? And if not, isn't that tacit activity

anyway?

PRIME MINISTER:

Sorry. What was that last bit?

JOURNALIST:

If you take an active role on one part of the referendum....

PRIME MINISTER:

Yeah, but it's a completely separate question. Well, I'm

not going to spend every waking hour but, I mean, I want people to

understand that the preamble, when it is promulgated and put forward,

will have my total support as the head of the Government. And I tried

to explain as openly, as directly as I could earlier what I stance

is. I mean I'll be asking people to support that preamble. How

actively I do that, well I do have other responsibilities and I don't

want to spend the next nine months talking about these two issues

important though they are in the eyes of a lot of people. And I think

the preamble in particular is an important issue and obviously the

head of State issue is important too. I was making the point in the

context of the republican debate that I wasn't going to be talking

about the republic everyday, arguing the merits of the debate everyday.

But Tony, nobody should be in any doubt, I am not a republican and

the Australian people will be left in no doubt as to where I stand

on that issue. But I just don't intend to spend an enormous amount

of time on that, and nor indeed would I expect, particularly over

the next few months, my senior ministers to spend an enormous amount

of time on it. We do have important ongoing other responsibilities

to the Australian people and they would expect us to focus on those

issues not to the total exclusion of other issues but certainly to

the substantial exclusion of other issues.

JOURNALIST:

On the question of your legal advice regarding the preamble, is there

any threshold to the dissent in the Parliament that requires a no

case to be put? I mean does it only.....

PRIME MINISTER:

I'd have to check that. The advice I got yesterday was that if,

from the Attorney General, the advice I had was that if nobody votes

against it there's no case circulated. Beyond that I don't

have advice.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, you say that on the preamble that you'd like

to take advice from other people about what it...the wording of

it but I do take it that at the end of the day you'd like the

preamble to have your seal, your stamp on it.

PRIME MINISTER:

At the end of the day it will be a preamble that I feel I can totally

support.

JOURNALIST:

With your words?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Jim, nobody has total ownership of the words of the English

language. But I'm obviously not going to put something forward

that I don't like but I'm not so conceited as to believe

that if it was something like this I couldn't benefit from the

elegance of the pens of other Australians.

JOURNALIST:

That's outside the Government?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well yes, oh yes. Of course.

JOURNALIST:

What sort of people?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I'll let you speculate about that.

JOURNALIST:

Bob Ellis?

JOURNALIST:

How about Mr Beazley who has asked to be consulted in advance?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Mr Beazley, after the Government has decided what it would like

I will seek Mr Beazley's views.

JOURNALIST:

Is this before you unveil it publicly as [inaudible]?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the Government will decide what it wants first and then we will

seek Mr Beazley's views. Mr Beazley a few weeks ago was against

this. Mr Beazley has flipped and flopped on this issue from start

to finish. But look, I'm perfectly happy once we have worked

out what we would like, to seek Mr Beazley's views on it before

it is presented to the Parliament.

JOURNALIST:

What sort of people are you inclined to go to for advice on this?

Academics, Lawyers, poets, writers.....

PRIME MINISTER:

I'm not going to speculate about that. I'm simply making

it clear, Catherine, that I feel free to seek the advice of any Australian

on this.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, can we get your reaction to the Kurdish demonstrations

around the world and in Sydney?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well let me say a couple of things about those. First of all that

the actual handling of the demonstrations in Sydney is a police matter

and I don't make a habit of commenting on operational police

matters. I think it's best for those to be handled by the police.

There has been discussion between the New South Wales Police and Commonwealth

security authorities overnight and I was given a briefing on those

discussions this morning. Let me say this that it's always part

of the Australian tradition that people have a perfect right to lawfully

express their view about a political issue that occurred anywhere

in the world. And all Australians have that right. But it must be

done in accordance with the law and anything that involves a breach

of the law, anything that involves violence, anything that involves

endangering lives or property, is something that will be condemned

not only by the Government but also by all of the Australian people.

JOURNALIST:

Are you confident that the Commonwealth security agencies such as

ASIO did an adequate job in informing the Greek Consulate that such

a threat was coming?

PRIME MINISTER:

Look I don't comment on those sorts of things and you know that

Paul.

JOURNALIST:

Are you worried about some of Australia's tax positions forcing

Australian companies offshore?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think the proposals that we have in mind in relation to taxation

reform and the machinery we've set up, particularly the Ralph

review, will determine whether there are proper grounds for those

concerns.

JOURNALIST:

[inaudible] capital gains tax?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I've already said that capital gains tax is part of the

Ralph review. We need to ensure that it's not working in the

negative way that some people claim in which I mentioned on the program

at the weekend. I think we ought to wait and see what Ralph has to

say about that. I don't know that there's anything useful

that I can add to what I've already said. It's part of the

review, it needs to be looked at, but we don't want a situation

arising where people are running around saying we don't need

a capital gains tax. I mean we do need a properly working, properly

set capital gains tax as part of the taxation system. But it must

work, as I said at the weekend, in a way that doesn't act as

a disincentive.

JOURNALIST:

[inaudible] new furniture for your office?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the other furniture had been there for 11 years and was frankly,

in the eyes of people, even those who have been reported in the press

as condemning the decision that I took and casting aspersions on the

quality of that decision, even in their eyes the furniture needed

extensive replacement, refurbishment, or whatever. Indeed I'm

advised that the alternative that was being advocated by those who've

condemned my decision would have involved a cost of $24,864, plus

of course......

JOURNALIST:

Where do those figures come from?

PRIME MINISTER:

I beg your pardon?

JOURNALIST:

What's the basis of those figures?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I'm just telling you I'm advised by people who know

that that was the figure. And there's another figure $1500 for

consultancy. So not only was the alternative that I decided upon involving

Australian made material, it was also on those figures significantly

cheaper.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, Jocelyn Newman attacked the Anglican Churches today.

Is that anyway to treat a supporter of the GST?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I don't know that she's attacked the church. But can

I just say one thing about food and the GST, let me say something

catholic about what the Anglicans have said, and that is that I thought

at the end of last year, or before the election, his Grace, the Catholic

Archbishop of Melbourne, had something very sensible if I may say

so with respect and I do respect him, about taxation, he s

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