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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
16/12/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11054
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP TELEVISION INTERVIEW WITH HELEN DALLY A CURRENT AFFAIR, CHANNEL NINE

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DALLY:

Welcome to A Current Affair.

PRIME MINISTER:

Helen.

DALLY:

Now isn't your stand on this really just rhetoric and grandstanding because

states are the only ones who can really make any changes and they so substantially

dependent on gambling revenues?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well it is not just rhetoric, I admit that it's very hard but I can't as

Prime Minister ignore the fact that there are 300,000 people who lose on

average $12,500 a year, most of them can't afford it. There will be many

Australian children who will have a pretty miserable Christmas because their

parents have become problem gamblers. Now, I am not pretending that is going

to be easy, I'm not setting a high sort of benchmark of achievement, but

we've had for the first time a very careful analysis of the problem and

I have invited all of the Governments to join in tackling it. It is just

not enough to say well it's too hard. I hope over time if we all work together,

including the gambling industry, including people in welfare groups that

we can make a difference. I am not trying to stop Australians gambling.

It's part of our life and for most part it's a very pleasurable, sensible

activity which people get a lot of fun out of.

DALLY:

But you are clearly worried about it?

PRIME MINISTER:

I am worried about the fact that there are 250, 000 to 300,000 people whose

lives have literally been blighted or destroyed.

DALLY:

It's a very damning Productivity Report.

PRIME MINISTER:

It is a very damning report and you just can't, difficult though it is,

you can't ignore these things. It is not particularly easy, I can't see

how it's grandstanding because some people will say, "gee what is he

on about, what's he trying to do?" I am not trying to tell a responsible

gambler he or she shouldn't do it what I am signalling is the fact there

is a hardcore, quite a significant number of people for whom it is a problem

and we do need to try and find solutions. I am also concerned about the

potential for the expansion for the gambling facilities on the Internet

and one of the things this Ministerial Council will look at is the feasibility

and the consequences of trying to prohibit Internet gambling. And we're

not alone on that - the Americans are having a look at that at the present

time.

DALLY:

But Internet gambling is at the moment almost non-existent, it is a very

tiny future potential.

PRIME MINISTER:

It is also one of the reasons we should be looking at it. I mean it is much

easier to anticipate something and do something about it then try and close

the stable door after the horse has bolted.

DALLY:

Ok, but is that an admission that you can't do really anything about reducing

what's out there now?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think it is very hard to roll back. It is not so hard to stop further

expansion of facilities it is not so hard or though very difficult nonetheless

to try and assist in different ways people who have a problem and that means

obliging more information to be made available to the public about odds.

It means instilling a greater sense of responsibility in some of the gambling

outlets.

DALLY:

But you haven't committed any Commonwealth funds to doing those very things

today, have you?

PRIME MINISTER:

Helen, today wasn't the day for announcing funds.

DALLY:

Why not?

PRIME MINISTER:

Because the first thing to do is set up the structure and then talk to the

governments and obviously if some resources are needed well they'll be provided

but we will also expect the states to make a contribution as well.

DALLY:

Sure, but would you concede . . .

PRIME MINISTER:

It is not enough for the states to just say well it is too hard because

we are reliant on revenue from gambling.

DALLY:

But would you concede they are, I mean some of the states would seem to

be addicted to gambling revenue?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, because it has been an easy buck for many of them, an easy buck. And

I think it is important that we understand that and, look, it is one of

those issues that the easier thing for me would be too say well this is

all too hard.

DALLY:

Well in a sense you are saying that it is very difficult.

PRIME MINISTER:

I know . . .

DALLY:

You may not get anywhere.

PRIME MINISTER:

But I am prepared to have a go at it. I am prepared to implement the findings

of the Productivity Commission inquiry, I am prepared to examine anticipatory

action in relation to the Internet, I am prepared to engage all of the states

and the welfare organisations and the gambling industry in trying to tackle

the problem of problem gamblers. Now . . .

DALLY:

Okay, are you prepared to replace the revenue that states are very dependent

on from gambling, with other revenue?

PRIME MINISTER:

The GST over time will be a growth tax. Once it gets in operation the revenue

from that will grow and it will give the states greater flexibility but

.

DALLY:

Can I just pick you up on that point because the New South Wales Government

has said this afternoon that it won't be nearly enough and could take ten

years.

PRIME MINISTER:

Can I say Helen that state governments always say that. From the beginning

of time state governments always say that. It is an easy way out to say

"well look we can't do anything about it because we are relying on

the federal government, it doesn't give us enough money". Look I don't

think the public who is more concerned about problem gamblers think that

is an adequate response. I think what they want the New South Wales Government

to do is to cooperate with me and not namecall and not say, "well it

is all too hard" and try and find a solution because there are thousands

of people whose lives are really blighted and destroyed because they have

become problem gamblers and I can't walk away from that.

DALLY:

Yes, but is there anything really concrete in what you have announced today

that will let people think that you have shown leadership on this and that

you are going to stop the problem gambling?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, the very fact that I am as Prime Minister putting it on the agenda

and saying that this is something governments have got to work together

to try and stop. I am not in a position to announce the solution tonight.

I am not a miracle maker, but I do as Prime Minister recognise that it is

a significant social problem. We can make a start and make a real indent

on real areas of gambling. We can as a community at least say the facilities

we now have are enough and that there is no case for further expansion of

facilities. And I've taken action as a Prime Minister to stop facilities

being expanded in an area where I had control and capacity to do it - that

is international air travel out of this country. I made it clear some time

ago that I wouldn't agree to a proposal that gambling facilities be put

on international airlines coming out of this country.

DALLY:

Would you support the Democrats' claim to want to limit poker machines?

PRIME MINISTER:

That is something I have an open mind on . .

DALLY:

But you won't commit tonight?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Helen I don't control poker machines anywhere in Australia. They're

controlled by state governments and this is an area that needs to be discussed.

I mean I am pleased to note that the new Victorian Government has said it

wants to put limits on the number of poker machines and a number of state

governments are concerned about this. And one of the other dimensions of

gambling is that small business is very, very badly affected. Now it is

very easy to say "well look what are all the answers?". I don't

have all the answers now but I at least have a commitment as Prime Minister

to try and find them and to recognise that this is a big social problem

and what we are trying to do is balance the natural desire of all of us

to have a bet and it is a perfectly human condition with the recognition

that some of us can't handle it.

DALLY:

Okay Prime Minister on that note we will leave it there. Thank you for your

time.

PRIME MINISTER:

Thank you.

DALLY:

Happy Christmas to you.

PRIME MINISTER:

You too.

[ends]

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