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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
14/07/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11036
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP PRESS CONFERENCE GRAND HYATT HOTEL NEW YORK, USA

E&OE............

SUBJECTS: Sydney a Centre for Global Financial Services, capital gains

tax, corporate tax rate, Australian economy, Ralph report, new Prime

Minister in Papua New Guinea, John Laws, aid workers, APEC, interest

rates, East Timor, taxation reform, Taiwan.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, ladies and gentleman, everybody ready to start the news conference?

Before inviting questions from you on anything you like, could I again

say how very pleased I am at the way in which this conference has

been organised. I'd like to particularly thank Peter Charlton and

Maurice Newman who really have been the two driving forces behind

this. They're not easy things to organise, fairly late notice in a

number of areas through the inevitable circumstances of arranging

visits to Washington and they really have done a sterling job. I want

to thank my two Ministerial colleagues, particularly Joe Hockey who

has specific responsibility for this and Senator Minchin and also

Ted Evans the Treasury Secretary who made a major and very well received

contribution to the conference this morning. It's a very important

collaborative effort. There has been good cooperation with the office

of the Premier of NSW and I was very pleased to have both Mr Carr

and Michael Egan the NSW Treasurer present because it is important

from our point of view, from Australia's point of view that we present

on things like this we present a united front. We are Australians

together overseas working in the long term national interest of our

country. Now, any questions?

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister in terms of the capital gains tax and neutralising

the advantage the US has, when you say neutralised does that mean

we need to bring our capital gains tax down to the same level that

operates here in the United States?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I was talking generically. I don't want at this stage to say

what is going to be our response to a report we haven't received but

what I was clearly indicating is that if you want capital to come

our country and it's more attractive for that capital to go somewhere

else, well you've got to ask yourself whether you ought not do something

about that and quite obviously aspects of our capital tax at the moment

don't represent an incentive for people to invest in Australia and

we do need to look as between specifically Australia in the United

States because the great bulk of the worlds capital is generated in

the United States. You've got to try and achieve as far as possible

a degree of neutrality. Now, that I'm not going to get into whether

that translates into this or that rate in relation to this or that

tax. But I'm stating the general principle and as you would have heard

from my speech we have an enormous number of the generics going for

us but there are some impediments as far as tax is concerned and we

just have to find out how far we can go in fixing them. And then I

think you have really a tremendous package.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, in signalling that you're looking at making the capital

gains tax resume more attractive for American investors in Australia,

is there a danger that Australian companies could find themselves

in a less competitive situation, discriminated against, or will you

ensure in whatever you do with Ralph that Australian companies get

the same advantages that foreign pension funds do in investing in

Australia.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well we won't be discriminating against Australian companies. If the

capital gains tax is reformed well that reform will flow to the benefit

of everybody. There's no way we'll discriminate against Australian

companies.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister you mentioned capital gains tax in your speech, you

didn't mention the corporate tax rate. Does that mean you put greater

emphasis on reducing capital gains tax as an investment incentive

rather than the corporate tax rate.

PRIME MINISTER:

No not necessarily, Glenn. The purpose of my speech was to talk against

the background of knowing that other speakers had gone into a great

amount of detail regarding the micro and macro economic cast of the

Australian economy at the moment. The purpose of my speech was to

talk in more general terms. Look, the question of a lower corporate

tax rate is obviously a very key element and the debate's well known

and the arguments, some of the arguments for and against have been

quite well rehearsed already. I am just conscious that in relation

to the capital markets the operation of aspects of the capital gains

tax is probably more specifically and more narrowly relevant. It's

not that generally speaking it's more relevant than the corporate

tax rate.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, are you looking at removing the need for US pension

funds to use limited partnerships to get capital gains tax exemptions?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh I'd be amazed if that weren't one of the things that came up in

the consideration in the wake of Ralph. I mean I'm not.

JOURNALIST:

Is it a good idea?

PRIME MINISTER:

I'm not pre-empting anything. Let me make it clear, I quite deliberately

avoided today making any specific announcements because I think it

derails a rational handling of the Ralph process for me to do that.

But I clearly indicated areas that I as Prime Minister think need

attention. And I'd be very surprised if that issue didn't come up.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister, I've got actually three quick questions, but the first

one is about the capital gains tax business. It would have been handy

if you'd been able to make your announcement on this visit. How much

have American CEO's mentioned this to you in your private discussions.

Is it an issue that is raised like it was this morning?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well a number of them have mentioned it but the question of whether

or not Sydney becomes a world financial centre is not going to be

governed by whether I make a specific announcement on this visit.

Rhetoric doesn't govern these things. People pay on outcomes. The

sort of people that I'm meeting here are quintessentially pay on outcomes

they don't pay on rhetoric. They're the last mob in the world that

pay on rhetoric.

JOURNALIST:

But so are they holding back before you do this?

PRIME MINISTER:

No they just want to know what our policy changes are. They're not

particularly keen, I mean I could make all sorts of flowery remarks,

but in the end they pay on results which is good and fair enough by

me. We've delivered results and we'll deliver some results out of

Ralph too.

JOURNALIST:

And the two other quick questions, one is we now have a new Prime

Minister in Papua New Guinea, can you say what you think of this development

and the final question is, a more domestic one, there's a huge controversy

raging about the idea of...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well can we just sort - deal with Papua New Guinea a moment and then

we'll move onto whatever other question you want to ask me. I would

like to congratulate Sir Mekere Morauta on his appointment as

the new Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea. I particularly welcome

it. I think he's a person who brings a great deal of strength to the

position. He's a very straight forward man. His priority is to put

his country's economy on a sound footing and we would like on a proper

basis to help him in that respect but it has to be on the basis that

ongoing economic reform is essential. Cooperation with the International

Monetary Fund, to implement agreed programs of reform, that is essential.

Papua New Guinea does have a special relationship with Australia.

We want to give him all the help we can to carry out his reform program

and I hope that his election will bring a period of stability and

getting on with the job to his country because in recent times there

have been grounds for concern about the lack of predicability and

stability and the constant debate and speculation about the future

government of the country and I particularly welcome his election.

I would want to record that under Bill Skate's leadership the country

did make considerable progress in dealing with the difficult problem

of Bougainville. And I would not want his retiring as Prime Minister

to go unremarked in relation to that issues but to Sir Mekere Morauta

I wish him well, I congratulate him and I hope to be in touch with

him next week. I intend to speak to him next week when I return to

Australia and I look forward to a very close and productive relationship

with him.

JOURNALIST:

With your indulgence the quick final question was, there is a huge

controversy in Australia at the moment about talk show host John Laws

being paid over a million dollars to go easy on the banks so to speak.

Do you think that kind of transaction is acceptable?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I've heard about this and I've been briefed on it. I don't know

all of the details and I understand the station is conducting an inquiry.

I also understand that other authorities are talking about an inquiry,

I don't want to make a judgement at this stage on the detail of it

until I have more information. I must say I was surprised to hear

about it and disappointed. I don't know whether all the claims made

are correct. In fairness to the people involved they should be given

an opportunity to respond on that but I was surprised. Speaking generally,

speaking generically I had always understood it was a fundamental

of our system of public debate on issues in our country that people

expressed, the views that people expressed were their views on the

merits of individual issues and nothing else. And there's clearly

a difference between somebody who specifically endorses a product

in a commercial sense and somebody expressing a view as a consequence

of a commercial understanding of which the public is unaware, entered

into between that person and an organisation about which that view

or a group of organisations abut which is expressed. I mean that raises

a whole range of other considerations. Now as I say, I don't know

all of the detail of it but it will be plain from what I've said what

my view is.

JOURNALIST:

There's impediments. There's a story that you tell of Australia, the

true story, and in the United States which I can speak there is the

myth of Australia which often is very, at least in my experiences

is very false, the myth being a CEO who asks me isn't Australia where

the crocodile, isn't Australia the place where the crocodile guy is

and the home of Crocodile Dundee. So in America even among top business

executives there's a methodology about Australia the last frontier

as they used to say. What kind of marketing is the Government doing

to send the true story of Australia and its economic might to the

rest of the world?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I always find those sorts of questions very hard to answer in

that I don't mind some of that mythology because it's part of the

romance and the, you know use that awful clich the rich tapestry,

and it's not something that you really want to destroy or disabuse

people of, I'm quite certain that a lot of Americans have that mythology.

I think increasing numbers of Americans recognise that that's just

part and its mythology a nice part of it, just as the wild west and

Dodge City and everything is part of the American rich tapestry. I

don't think that is as deeply held by younger Americans. I don't think

that because their access to methods and modes of communication are

so extensive now. We don't have any particular programme to play down

Crocodile Dundee and promote Maurice Newman's outfit, much in all

as it's a noble part of that rich tapestry. We don't but I think that

over time people get a good balance.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard I'm just wondering if there is anything to report from your

discussions with General Colin Powell and Ambassador designate Richard

Holbrooke, particularly on the question of Yugoslavia and the aid

workers?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I have talked about our aid workers with everybody I've met of

any influence in this country and the reaction I've had has been genuine

and uniform. There's a desire where they can to help and nobody has

the magic answer. There isn't a magic answer. We have to persuade

the Yugoslav Government to let them go and so far we've not been successful.

That doesn't mean to say we won't be successful but we've got to keep

trying and we are continuing to try in all sorts of ways. I understand

this morning His Holiness has taken up the cause and I appreciate

that very much. And it's consistent with the very strong stance he's

taken on human rights issues effecting the citizens of other countries.

We'll continue at every opportunity to raise it. I raised it with

President Clinton. I raised it with Madeleine Albright. I in fact

spent some quarter of an hour talking to Madeleine Albright about

it at Andrew Peacock's marvellous function last Sunday night. And

we'll just continue to persevere on every front at every occasion.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Prime Minister, Lisa Dodson from Reuters Television. We understand

that Australia has endorsed China's membership to WTO coming alongside

a very contentious lamb ruling by the US. Are we seeing broader trade

tensions between the United States and Australia?

PRIME MINISTER:

A broader trade tension?

JOURNALIST:

A broader trade tensions and what are the implications of the lamb

ruling for APEC initiatives and I have a follow-up question?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the American's support China's accession to the WTO. The President

told me on Tuesday that he wanted China in the WTO and he's working

very hard to achieve that and he's made that very plain to the Chinese

administration so there's no difference of opinion on that particular

issue. The lamb ruling what will it do to APEC? The worry I have is

that maybe other countries that are less committed to a more open

trading system will use it as an excuse to be recalcitrant. No perhaps

I'll think of another word. Be difficult. I withdraw it immediately.

JOURNALIST:

My follow-up question is that historically there has been a parallel

between US Fed moving on interest rates and the RBA. Do you see an

interest rate hike in Australia in the near term?

PRIME MINISTER:

I don't make comments about the level of interest rates either here,

in Australia or as the Australian Prime Minister here in the United

States.

JOURNALIST:

You agree with Ted Evans though Prime Minister that if the temporary

blip in inflation caused by the introduction of a GST gets out of

hand that monetary policy would be alive to that possibility.

PRIME MINISTER:

Glenn, I hope you won't be offended if I invoke my, the question time

convention and that is I never when somebody asks me a question at

question time which quotes somebody else as a matter of precaution

I never accepted that that other person has been correctly quoted

so in other words well I'll. If you want to ask me a question unadorned

by reference to what somebody else has said then I'll be very happy

to answer it. But I'm quite certain that what Mr Evans said this morning

was sound.

JOURNALIST:

(inaudible).

PRIME MINISTER:

What? You want to ask me an unadorned..

JOURNALIST:

Can I ask you an unadorned question?

PRIME MINISTER:

Absolutely.

JOURNALIST:

If there is an inflation blip as a result of the tax changes do you

think it would be appropriate and perhaps necessary at least in the

short term to use interest rates to (inaudible).

PRIME MINISTER:

Look Fran I don't talk about interest rates.

JOURNALIST:

Prime Minister you were high, full of praise for your Labor predecessors

both here and in Georgetown in terms of two issues.

PRIME MINISTER:

In relation to a couple of issues - two issues

JOURNALIST:

Financial deregulation and tariffs.

PRIME MINISTER:

Where they had strong support from the then Coalition Opposition.

JOURNALIST:

And secondly you were also full of praise for, or you were pleased

to have Bob Carr here today, are there circumstances or what circumstances

could there be under which in that spirit of bipartisanship you could

have Kim Beazley here to sell a bipartisan message?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I guess the ball is in his court. But you've got to bear in mind

that Mr Beazley in relation to taxation reform, Mr Beazley has behaved

quite differently from how I behaved in relation to financial deregulation,

under the Hawke Government and tariff reform also under the Hawke

Government, although I wasn't Opposition Leader in 1991 when the tariff

reform statement was made but certainly the then opposition took a

very constructive approach under John Hewson's leadership and I was

part of the senior membership of the opposition that participated

in that and I was a very strong supporter I remember of the general

thrust of the tax reforms that Paul Keating was trying to put through

at the summit. Now I'm sure that Mr Beazley would like Australia to

become a world financial centre. Specifically Mr Carr was in New York,

I don't know whether he planned his visit around this or whether it

was a happy coincidence, but look I do hold very strongly to the believe

that as much as possible we should work together when we're abroad.

That doesn't mean to say we won't have our vigorous differences at

home but Mr Carr likes our tax reforms but I don't want to, don't

spoil a pleasant sort of, anything pleasant it's all gone very well

but Mr Beazley has chosen to be particularly negative at the moment

on our tax reforms. I hope he's constructive on capital gains tax

and corporate tax reform and he's got a great opportunity and let

me say Jim that if Mr Beazley wants to join us in the promotion of

Australia as a world financial centre, a way in which he can demonstrate

that commitment and join us is to be constructive and positive in

relation to business tax reform in contra distinction to his negativity

on general tax reform. So the ball is in his court. I mean he can

be part of the future on this or he can try and stop the future happening.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard are you disappointed that there are moves within the New

South Wales Liberal Party to undermine Kerry Chikarovski and have

her replaced?

PRIME MINISTER:

Oh look forget it Jim. I mean I'm not going to talk about a State

political issue. I generally don't talk about State political issues.

Certainly not here.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard you've talked about establishing a task force for your push

to establish Sydney as the financial centre. Who's going to head that

taskforce?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well there's a process being gone through. I mean the Ministerial

head of it will be Joe Hockey. I mean he's the public face of it but

we have advertised for somebody to head it up in an executive capacity

and we're going through the selection process.

JOURNALIST:

Mr Howard I was just wondering if you had any indications from CEOs

that you were talking to last night about whether they've got any

plans to locate in Australia?

PRIME MINISTER:

Look, look it doesn't operate like that.

JOURNALIST:

I know it's a bit early.

PRIME MINISTER:

You don't have dinner with some of these

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