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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
11/03/1999
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
11003
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH HOWARD SATTLER (6PR)

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SATTLER:

Good morning Prime Minister.

PRIME MINISTER:

Good morning, how are you?

SATTLER:

Thanks for joining us. All right, the unemployment figures are just

out and despite the predictions unemployment is down by .1 of one

per cent which when you talk about it that way doesn't sound

much but what does it all mean?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, they are great figures. I am getting a bit of an echo, incidentally,

so your technician should try and fix it up. The unemployment rate

is down to 7.4 per cent. There's been a rise of 33,000 in the

jobs created in February. Youth unemployment is down to 23.5 per cent

and that is the lowest since September of 1991. We have seen about

80,000 jobs created over the summer period and a total of 406,000

jobs created in the three years that the Coalition has been in Government.

Now, these are tremendous figures but we still have a long way to

go. And I appeal to those in the Senate who blocked our Youth Wage

Bill to think of the damage they are doing to the job prospects of

the young people who are still out of work. We could have this unemployment

rate going down even further in the years ahead if we do more to encourage

employers to take on young people. And on two occasions in the last

few weeks in relation to Youth Wage Bill and the unfair dismissal

regulation, the Senate has struck down measures that this Government

designed to give young people a better chance. And I just say to those

people in the Senate again, whether they are Labor, Democrat or Independent,

think of what you are doing, think of the opportunity the buoyant

economy presents to really break the back of unemployment in this

country.

SATTLER:

[sound problems]

I was just saying, are you planning to re-present that Bill now? I

mean, you are saying that you're appealing to them but they have

already knocked it back haven't they?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, of course we are going to re-present that Bill. We will re-present

it again in three months time – I am still getting that echo

incidentally – we'll re-present that in three months time.

But I am using the opportunity of these really very good figures against

the background of a very strong economy to just appeal directly to

the Labor Party and the Democrats and the Independents in the Senate

to think of what their political gains are doing to the job prospects

of young Australians. I mean, unemployment is still too high. Although

it's a lot better than what it was it could be a lot better still

if we as a community were prepared to take the measures to improve

prospects for people. And there are a lot of things we have got to

do. Two of those things are to remove the threat of unfair dismissal

legislation from small business, and we have tried to do that and

we have been frustrated at every turn. And the other, of course, is

the youth wage measure. Now, on two occasions now the Labor Party

and the Democrats have voted against those measures. And I am just

saying to the leaders of those two parties, think of what you are

doing to the employment prospects of young Australians.

SATTLER:

[commercial break – sound problems]

I understand the Defence Minister, John Moore, is going to make a

statement to the House this afternoon. Does that have anything to

do with Australians going to East Timor?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, it doesn't. He will be reporting on progress being made with

the defence reform programme that we announced when we came to Government

in our first term. That's what it's about.

SATTLER:

All right. What are the prospects of Australians going to East Timor

in the near future?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, we hope that the need for a peacekeeping force will not arise.

We hope that arrangements are worked out between the East Timorese

and the Indonesians for either autonomy followed by independence,

or independence after a reasonable transition period that won't

involve any peacekeeping force. So any talk about committing Australians

in a peacekeeping role at this stage is quite premature.

SATTLER:

Okay. But if East Timorese continue to be threatened or people are

continuing to die up there at the hands of para-military groups we

can't just sit back surely?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Howard, I am very careful what I say on this issue because it's

a very important and sensitive one. We want peace. We want the East

Timorese people to be allowed to determine their own future. We believe

that if that future could involve with their consent a period of autonomy

inside Indonesia that would be better for all concerned. In the end

they should be able to determine matters for themselves. And the stance

I took and the Government took before Christmas was very material

in bringing about a change of heart on the part of the Indonesian

Government.

SATTLER:

Now, you have mentioned what's happened in the Senate with the

youth wages legislation. What have you done to upset Senator Brian

Harradine who seems to have extraordinary power in this country and

is that going to threaten your tax reform package as it torpedoed

the youth wages policy?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Howard, Senator Harradine always makes a judgement on the merits

of each individual piece of legislation as he sees it. I never take

Senator Harradine for granted.

SATTLER:

Well, you can't can you?

PRIME MINISTER:

No. Well, I don't but I have never tried to and he is not a person

who believes in cross-trading on issues. He has very strong, what

I would call, traditional Labor views on industrial relations matters.

Remember Brian Harradine was originally a member of the Australian

Labor Party. He was a trade union official. He has very traditional

views on industrial relations matters. He believes very strongly in

a more centralised involved system on the part of the Industrial Relations

Commission. I understand that, I don't agree with him. I disagree

with him quite fundamentally on those matters but I respect the strength

with which he holds those views and they are as I say, essentially

traditional Labor views.

SATTLER:

Okay. But is he now irrelevant to this argument given the switch in

policy, or tactics by the Labor Party saying now they probably won't

block your tax reform package and they think that that will now be

a political plus for them at the next election because they think

the GST will be horrendous?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I haven't heard or read that the Labor Party is going to

vote in favour of the GST package. What I read in the Australian this

morning is that the Labor Party won't try and stop a vote being

taken before the 30th of June. Brian Harradine and Mal

Colston are still quite critical to the outcome of the tax plan because

they hold the balance of power until the 30th of June.

After the 30th of June that changes. Senator Colston will

no longer be in the Senate and the Democrats will have more Senators

and the Democrats will hold the balance of power. So nothing has changed

as I understand it in relation to the Labor Party's attitude

on the substance of our tax plan. All I read is that they will not

try and stop a vote being taken by the 30th of June. And

neither they should. I mean after all we did win an election on this

issue. We did lay ourselves bare policy wise. We provided the Australian

people with a full explanation of what we wanted to do and we won

the election. No Government in history has gone to the Australian

people with a more detailed reform plan on such a central issue of

policy as we did last year.

SATTLER:

Yeah, except the Senators who were voted in are not the ones who are

there now. They're the ones who will take their place after June

30.

PRIME MINISTER:

But Howard, look, this is an endless argument I know. But aren't

elections about parties offering plans for the future and the Australian

people deciding who should be allowed to implement their plans?

SATTLER:

Sure. But also don't you think we should have a system where

whoever is elected, say from October the 3rd, the next

time whatever House sits they're the representatives of the people.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well that would involve a Constitutional change.

SATTLER:

I know that.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yeah, well look, we didn't have a referendum on it. I mean I

can only deal with the system that I inherited. And I mean in a sense

it's a futile debate at this stage as to whether our system might

be different or better or changed. I've got to deal with the

system that the Australian people [inaudible] have decided I've

got to deal with. And under that system I put a plan to the Australian

people and the Australian people returned me as Prime Minister. And

what I'm saying is that I think my Government should be allowed

to implement that plan.

SATTLER:

Okay. But have you got a better chance now of getting your tax reform

bills through the Upper House before June the 30th or will

you have just as much a chance after June the 30th?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well our prospects after the June the 30th as I read it

at the moment are far less because the Democrats will hold the balance

of power and the Democrats have declared that they won't accept

the plan in its present form, despite the judgement of the Australian

people. So as things stand at the moment it is clearly in the interests

of the plan getting through that we have a vote before the 30th

of June.

SATTLER:

So what are you going to do to get Senator Harradine on side? Are

you going to ban Lolita? Is that what you're going to do?

PRIME MINISTER:

I'll come to that in a minute. The last thing I'm going

to do is to engage in some kind of public discussion about any discussions

I might have with him. I respect him. I've got a lot of regards

for his views. I don't agree with a lot of them and he doesn't

agree with a lot of mine. But that doesn't stop us respecting

each other as public figures. If I have anything to say to Brian Harradine

about taxation or any other matter I'll say it to him first in

private.

SATTLER:

But you will be speaking with him about it personally?

PRIME MINISTER:

I always talk to him about a whole range of matters. We are in fairly

regular contact.

SATTLER:

All right. Can I talk to you about drugs?

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes.

SATTLER:

Isn't the Government, or hasn't the Government been a bit

hypocritical on this? You're now committing a lot of effort to

it, and money. Yours is the same Government that reduced the funding

for our federal police who are really on the front line. They're

at the border of trying to stop drugs getting into this country.

PRIME MINISTER:

Howard, the resources that are now available are the greatest the

federal police have ever had to fight drugs.

SATTLER:

Really?

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes. We have strike teams available. Two strike teams now in Western

Australia. We have additional resources and the commissioner of the

federal police told me himself about two weeks ago that some of the

drug hauls that have been in the news recently are a direct result

of the additional resources that have been provided.

SATTLER:

And will there be more?

PRIME MINISTER:

I will be saying something further about drugs in the lead up to,

and at the Premiers' Conference on the 9th of April.

We'll be putting some more proposals to the Premiers. I want

to work with Richard Court. I want to work with all of the Premiers

and Chief Ministers in order to make further inroads on the drug problem

in this country. I don't pretend for a moment that I have all

of the solutions and I don't pretend that it is easy. And I'm

going to keep trying and I want to work. And you've got to tackle

it through law enforcement. That's customs and police. You've

got to have educational programmes to discourage young people from

starting drugs in the first place. And you've got to have treatment

available for people who want to break the drug habit. I don't

think in the past we've had enough emphasis on treatment and

I'm very keen that there be a greater emphasis at both a State

level where normally these facilities would have been provided, or

should be provided, and with some additional involvement by the Federal

Government. And the ‘tough on drugs' strategy which is providing

about $290 million over four years includes support for those three

elements. It's wrong to see it just in terms of resources you

put into police, although that is a very important element.

SATTLER:

All right. Isn't this also an international issue. You've

got a United Nations that sends peace keeping forces, including Australians,

all over the world to try and stop dictators and people like that.

Isn't this an international issue which almost sort of requires

a war on drugs? I mean shouldn't they be sending in sort of UN

forces into places where they're growing all this stuff?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well it is an international problem and there have been some very

good developments in that area. Only last week when Madeline Albright

was in Thailand she visited an area where there had been a planting

programme to replace, I think, poppies with another substance which

would deliver the same earnings to the local community. And this transfer

of investment was very widely welcomed in the community and we would

obviously like to see that kind of approach applied in what used to

be called Burma - now called Myanmar - which is one of the major sources

of drugs in the area.

SATTLER:

I mean do we give aid to that place?

PRIME MINISTER:

Myanmar? We certainly wouldn't be giving any aid at all that

gets to drugs. I don't think we give anything other than bare

humanitarian aid to Burma, if anything.

SATTLER:

The point I'm making is....

PRIME MINISTER:

Look I understand your point but I think I can assure your listeners

that none of our dollars would give any kind of succour or substance

to people involved in the drug traffic. I can absolutely assure you

of that.

SATTLER:

Yeah, all right. Now just to wind up to....so let's talk about

Lolita, the movie. That was brought up at your meeting, your Coalition

meeting the other day. Are you just going to handball it back to the

public and say: well if you've got a problem with it complain

to the censor, appeal about it or what?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well what's going to happen is that some of my colleagues are

going to lodge an appeal. There's a procedure under the censorship

rules which provide that if people are unhappy with the initial decision

of the censor then they can ask that that decision be reviewed by

a review tribunal. Now that is the correct thing to do. I haven't

seen it. I therefore can't make a personal judgement.

SATTLER:

You're going to be seeing it aren't you?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I've read in the papers there's going to be some viewing

of it. Well, I mean, I've got, you know, many things to do.

SATTLER:

I don't think Lolita's at the top of the tray.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, no, no. But I have to say to you that there are a lot of my colleagues

who raised this issue and I said that given the concern right across

the spectrum, and presumably reflecting public concern, that I said

I would have a look at it in the sense of seeing what would be the

appropriate response for people who are concerned. Now the appropriate

response is what I've described. And I think that is correct.

It's a procedure laid down. And everybody's entitled to

have a view on matters relating to public taste and public standards.

This idea that it's just a monopoly of, quote, "experts"

is never right.

SATTLER:

Okay. Just to reiterate on East Timor. We don't have any peacekeeping

forces on standby here at the moment? Is that right? Yes or no.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well you wouldn't expect any self-respecting government to be

other than ready for any contingency that might arise in the future.

But if you're asking me, and please, it's a very important

issue, if you're asking me are we contemplating sending any troops

to East Timor at the present time the answer to that is no. If you're

asking me if any contingency in our region arose in the future would

we be able to respond to it, or are we making preparations to be able

to respond to it, well obviously the answer to that is yes. And that

is what any responsible government would do. But this afternoon's

statement is very much about reporting on the progress of the Defence

Review Programme and how that has enabled us to do things that we

wouldn't otherwise have been able to do. You've got to remember

that defence has been the only area of Government expenditure completely

quarantined from budget cuts over the last three years.

SATTLER:

Yeah, and so it should be too.

PRIME MINISTER:

Indeed, so it should be.

SATTLER:

Thank you for joining us on the programme. We'll talk regularly

during 1999. I'm sorry about the glitch at the start.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yeah, and glitchless in future. Okay.

SATTLER:

It will be indeed. See you later.

PRIME MINISTER:

Bye.

[ends]

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