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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
29/01/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10762
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  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP TELEVISION INTERVIEW WITH STEVE LEIBMANN THE TODAY SHOW, CHANNEL 9

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LEIBMANN:

Yesterday Prime Minister John Howard delivered his first major speech

of this year, his Federation Address in Adelaide, in which he discussed

an expanded work for the dole scheme, tax reform and the Australian

economy. But the focus in national affairs has shifted somewhat

overnight after rowdy scenes in Melbourne's dockland as a non-union

alternative was being set up, backed by the National Farmers Federation.

And later in the programme we will speak with Maritime Union leader,

John Coombs. Now though the Prime Minister joins us from our studios

in Adelaide, Prime Minister good morning to you.

PRIME MINISTER:

Hello Steve, good morning.

LEIBMANN:

In your Federation Address yesterday you said, among other things,

that Australia has to accelerate the pace of economic reform, including

waterfront reform and this morning we are hearing about waterfront

war as the National Farmers Federation moves into a new dock venture.

Is this the sort of reform on the waterfront you were talking about?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Steve, the only people who are talking war and speaking belligerently

are the wharfies. All the NFF is doing is going into business, going

into the stevedoring business, they are taking advantage of the

new laws that my Government passed. And we have never disguised,

and I want to make this very clear to the Australian people, we

have never disguised the fact that we need reform in the Australian

waterfront. The Australian waterfront is hopelessly inefficient

by world standards. We need it to be more productive and that will

benefit Australia, it will build a stronger Australia, if we have

a more efficient waterfront. And all we have done is to change the

law to break the legal monopoly on the supply of labour on the Australian

waterfront. And if companies owned by the NFF or indeed anybody

else take advantage of that and provide competition, good on them.

Because it is in the Australian national interest, I repeat, the

Australian national interest, that we have the most competitive

wharves in the world and that we encourage the maximum degree of

competition.

We have never disguised our support for that. I mean, this idea

that there is some kind of conspiracy and there is something sinister

about the Government wanting more productive Australian wharves

that is bunkum. I have never disguised that. I am proud of the fact

that my Government is in favour of more productive wharves and the

only people who are talking trouble, the only people who are talking

confrontation, the only people who are behaving like bullies are

the MUA. We are not, all we have done is to change the law and to

say that it is lawful for somebody to use non-union labour on the

Australian waterfront.

LEIBMANN:

Well now the MUA is threatening this morning a massive industrial

campaign, the ACTU is backing it, will your Government do everything

in it's power to keep the Australian waterfront open?

PRIME MINISTER:

We will support the law of this country, the Government can do no

less and ought to do no less. And people who are lawfully going

about their business, whatever that business may be, are entitled

to the support of the law. And those who seek to use intimidatory

tactics. I mean nobody is trying to smash the MUA, nobody is trying

to destroy any jobs, what we are trying to do is get a more productive

waterfront, what we are trying to do is to build a stronger Australia.

Heavens above, after what has happened in our near north and the

economic turmoil in South East Asia surely every Australian understands

that we have got to have the most productive, the most efficient

and the most competitive economy we can possibly achieve. And you

won't achieve that unless you allow people in open competition

in all areas of the economy.

And I say to the members of the MUA, we have no argument with you,

we are not trying to smash your union all we have done is to change

the law to allow people to recruit and use non-union labour on the

waterfront, and for new stevedores to come into the business and

to operate in competition with existing ones. And as far as I am

concerned while anybody, whether it be the NFF or any other organisation

or group of Australians wants to do that they will have the full

support and understanding of my Government. And I would hope they

would have the full support and the understanding of the Australian

Labor Party. It is very interesting, is Kim Beazley going to allow

Mr Coombs to lead him by the nose on this or is he going to stand

up for the Australian national interest?

LEIBMANN:

Alright. Prime Minister you began the New Year with a trip to Perth

and you announced an $80 million grant to Western Australian infrastructure

projects. Yesterday in Adelaide the Federation Address, you announced

an extra $340 million to extend government training programmes,

an extra $42 million to assist students to stay at school or go

back. You announced a tightening of your work for the dole scheme,

and you talked again of a better, fairer tax system. Let me ask

you a wasted question, because it seems to me you are setting the

stage for an election, are you now in full election mode, are you

thinking of an early poll?

PRIME MINISTER:

No. I am getting on with the business of being Prime Minister. What

I did yesterday was to lay out my plans for the next year. And those

plans include making Australia an even stronger economy and further

insulating it against the ravages of what is happening in our region.

That plan includes a fairer and better more modern taxation system.

Those plans include an extension of the mutual obligation principle

and it is a very important principle of a civilised society. We

will look after people who need help, but where it is reasonable

to do so we will say to those people, in return for that help you

should give something back to society. And that is the principle,

the mutual obligation principle which lies behind our work for the

dole approach.

But we have gone further. We have said to those people who leave

school without adequate literacy and numeracy skills that that is

one of the reasons why often you can't get a job and if you

are assessed as having those inadequate skills, after you have failed

to get a job for six months, we will provide you with professional

help to lift your numeracy and literacy skills. And we are going

to pay for that and we are going to work in partnership with the

State Governments to do so.

LEIBMANN:

But Prime Minister can I suggest to you, you have got a bit of a

problem here, what with all this early election speculation, perhaps

a double dissolution poll, media driven or driven by Ministers or

both. Because it gets to a point where it begins to gather its own

momentum and you can't stop it and you have all this political

uncertainty which could force you to go to an early poll just to

end all of that.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Steve, the next election will be held at the right time. And

we are a long way away from it. It is normal in Australia in the

12 months before an election is due for speculation to start. Now

it has been heightened on this occasion because of the stubborn

refusal of the Senate to pass our Native Title Amendment Bill. And

I would say to those people, including people in the Labor Party

and the Democrats who everyday criticise the fact that there is

election speculation, if they let the Native Title Bill through

in March a lot of that would disappear overnight.

LEIBMANN:

In your address yesterday, and indeed it was mentioned by your Treasurer

Peter Costello yesterday, the good economic numbers just keep coming,

reflected as recently as yesterday with the lower inflation figures.

But why isn't all this being translated into good numbers for

you and your Government in the opinion polls?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well the good numbers electorally Steve, are those that are delivered

on election day. And polls come and go but I think the message is

getting through even more strongly to the Australian people, that

if it hadn't been for the action taken by my Government to

fix up Mr Beazley's $10.5 billion deficit that he left us and

denied, if it hadn't been for our action in repairing the economy

we would now be a more frightened, vulnerable, weakened country

in the face of what has happened in the Asia-Pacific region. And

because of what we have done Australia stands as strong in this

part of the world, indeed stronger than it has ever stood in the

past. And I am immensely proud of the decisions that I, in company

with my Treasurer in particular, have taken at the Head of the Government

to waterproof the Australian economy against those impacts.

LEIBMANN:

You also said yesterday in that speech that under your Government

we had become a more civil society with a stronger sense of community

and a more united nation. And I wonder whether you really believe

that when you look at the monarchy vs the republic debate, the impact

Pauline Hanson has had, the Wik debate, the growing gap between

rich and poor, do you think we really are a more civil, united society?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I think given the immensity of some of those issues the debate

is being, by and large, conducted in a fairly civil fashion. I mean,

there are outbursts when people fling around descriptions like racist

scum and so forth, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

And I think some of the abuse has disappeared from the political

stage, I am not suggesting for a moment that we should become colourlessly

polite in all of our

exchanges, but I do think it is possible to debate these issues

without us lapsing into too much lack of civility. And I think the

other point I made in that same context was that, I don't think

Australian politics is as dominated now as it was a couple of years

ago before my Government came to power, by noisy pressure groups.

We are governing far more in the interests of the mainstream of

the Australian community.

LEIBMANN:

Earlier this week you condemned Pauline Hanson's comments on

the choice of the Australian and the Young Australian of the Year

and former Prime Minister, Malcolm Fraser is now saying it is becoming

harder for the Liberals to give Pauline Hanson their preferences

at the next election. Why won't you end all that speculation

now and simply say it is not on, she, The One Nation Party, are

not going to get our preferences?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well that will be dealt with by the organisations.

LEIBMANN:

But you could show some form of leadership here.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Steve I have shown a lot of leadership on just about every

issue that is around at the present time. Take the Constitutional

Convention. The weather-vane that is represented by the Leader of

the Opposition is just because he has read the opinion poll that

says a lot of people support a directly elected presidency he has

shifted his position. As far as I am concerned on all of those issues

I am stating my own views, the Australian people know where I stand.

And even though on that issue I may be articulating what, according

to the opinion polls is a minority view, I am going to go on doing

it. Now that is, I think, doing the sort of thing that any political

party leader with a decent backbone would be willing to do.

LEIBMANN:

Just finally, while all this goes on and we talk about these issues

some 9,000 people in Katherine are rebuilding their lives after

those devastating floods, they are going to need all the help they

can get, are you going to give it?

PRIME MINISTER:

I certainly am. And indeed on Friday, tomorrow, my wife and I will

be going to Katherine to meet and to talk to the people who have

been left devastated by those floods. I have been in constant contact

with the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory over the last

36 hours and I have assured him that all of the resources of the

Commonwealth which are properly needed in these circumstances will

be available. It is a major natural disaster and it is an immense

human trauma for all of those Australians who have been affected

by it. And Janette and I will be going to Katherine tomorrow morning

to talk to them and to personally express to them our concern and

the concern of their fellow Australians.

LEIBMANN:

Ok, thanks for your time, good to talk with you again.

PRIME MINISTER:

Thank you.

[Ends]

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