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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
13/05/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10651
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TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP RADIO INTERVIEW WITH ALAN JONES RADIO 2UE

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JONES:

Prime Minister, good morning.

PRIME MINISTER:

Good morning Alan. How are you?

JONES:

Good thank you. Congratulations. How important, could you just tell

our listeners, is it that national Governments fight this battle

against debt?

PRIME MINISTER:

Enormously important. It's the foundation of a secure, confident

future. The feeling that we are now, for the first time in eight

or ten years spending less than we collect each week, if I can put

it that way, but knowing that the surplus you get through spending

less than you collect has to be used to pay previously accumulated

debt, I mean, that is the situation we are in. We inherited a deficit,

that's an annual gap between what we spend and what we collect,

of $10.5 billion two years ago. We have now wiped that out.

JONES:

And $13 billion turn around in two years. It's a phenomenal

achievement.

JONES:

And no raising of taxes?

PRIME MINISTER:

And no raising of taxes for the third year in a row. The Treasurer

was able to say last night, no increase in wholesale sales tax,

excise, income tax or other taxes, and what we have been able to

do now with the surplus is also begin the mammoth task of repaying

the accumulation of all of the annual deficits over previous years

and they were in the order of $95 to $100 billion when we came to

power so it really has been a phenomenal turn around and it has

all been done without raising taxes and the beauty of it for the

future is that we are now able to lock in lower interest rates.

I mean, every homebuyer in Australia on an average loan is now $3800

a year better off. That's the equivalent of a $100 a week tax

rise from the boss for the average wage and salary earner.

JONES:

It doesn't get taxed, does it? It doesn't get taxed. It's

a far better benefit than a wage increase.

PRIME MINISTER:

A far better benefit. There is a huge benefit when you have a lower

mortgage bill and the greatest immediate and consistent and future

dividend out of this Government's economic prudence has been

that cut in interest rates for homebuyers because we now have the

lowest interest rates for 30 years, the lowest inflation for 30

years. We have generated 280 000 new jobs in just over two years

since we have been in office, and despite all the turmoil in Asia

we are able to see our economy growing by at least 3 per cent next

year.

JONES:

More Australians working than ever before.

PRIME MINISTER:

Could I just say one other thing about the region? Just ask yourselves,

listeners, where this country would now be in the face of what has

happened in Asia if my Government had not taken the measures it

has over the last two years, if we had not resolved two years ago

to take the spending decisions to get the books back into balance,

to get the country back in the black and to say bye bye to the bankcard?

JONES:

Well I am happy to tell you on behalf of millions of Australians

that I believe we would have been in all sorts of bother and I think

any detailed debate on the Budget today only dilutes the very, very

significant benefit to all Australians by this attack on debt. I

just want to put this to you before we get off this debt question.

In five years in the ‘90s we increased our debt by $80 000

million. It's almost criminal.

PRIME MINISTER:

Yes that's right, we did, year after year, because we ran deficits

of 7,8,9,10, whatever it was, billion dollars. We just added them

up and by the time we got to office in 1996 and in that period in

the 90s we had run up that massive amount of debt. Now what we have

had to do is first of all, we have had to close the annual gap between

what you spend and what you collect and we achieved that last night

and then you set about using the surplus you generate to repay the

debt of earlier years. Now what I want to be able to say to the

future generations of Australians is that our aim is to enter the

third millennium of the next century as free of debt as any Government

has ever made Australia and I think it is a remarkable achievement

that we are now, with confidence, able to say to the Australian

people, when we turn the page of the calendar into the next millennium

we will be as free of debt as we have been in the living memory

of most Australians.

We now have the strongest economic foundations this country has

had for a quarter of a century and it's needed at the present

time with the turmoil in our region. Who would have thought a few

years ago that we could boast of being the fastest growing economy,

or one of the fastest growing economies in Asia. Remember just a

couple of years ago people were looking almost in awe at the rates

of growth in the Asian Pacific region. Now we are able to..

JONES:

Funded by debt, funded by debt.

PRIME MINISTER:

That's right. Exactly. Now we are able to look everybody in

the eye and say, we've got our house in order. The fundamentals

are strong. We have done it without increasing tax and most importantly,

we are locking in in a way that they have never been locked in before,

low interest rates and low inflation rates.

JONES:

Prime Minister, one writer said earlier this week of you, and I

quote, "he's hampered by a rather Methodist modesty, rare

in politicians as well as a dislike of braggadocio. As a result,

sometimes major announcements and indications about the government's

thinking go under reported". He went on, "neither John

Howard nor his senior Ministers have developed the art of selling

their successes". I wonder has the success that we all experience

as a result of mortgage interest rates being the lowest since 1970;

small business the lowest since 1960, down from 20 percent in 1990.

Have you really sold to Australians the real benefit of that rather

than have them believe that Government's have got to be giving

money all the time?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I suppose I'll find that out whenever the next election

is held though and I read that article with interest. That may or

may not be an accurate description of me. I'm not a person

who likes to over exaggerate things, I like to tell it as it is,

I'm telling you as it is now when I say to you and your listeners

this economy is in better shape then its been for a quarter of a

century and I am really fantastically proud of what my Government

has been able to achieve. Now we don't take the public for

granted, they're entitled to say well that's your job,

we elected you to fix the show up, that's why we got rid of

the other crowd. Now you've got the books back into balance

we want to see some decent tax reform, we want to see you continue

with your efforts and let me say to your listeners we will, to reform

the Australian waterfront. We are absolutely unapologetic about

the fact that we want to reform the Australian waterfront. We've

never made any bones about it and I don't want anybody in the

community to imagine that we are in the least bit changing our attitude.

We need an efficient Australian waterfront, we need to end compulsory

unionism on the Australian waterfront and the reason we need those

things is that it will benefit the whole country. We're not

trying to destroy a union, I've got no argument with trade

unionism, we have never set out to destroy the Maritime Union or

any union. What we've set out to do is to give Australia a

break through a more reformed and a more efficient waterfront.

JONES:

Many people listening to you as well have long been concerned about

the fact that they work their butts off everyday and other people

can actually put their hand out at the welfare trough and get away

with it. I know there was a report in the Budget last night that

you've been cancelling social payments at the rate of about

$28 million a week. It's a figure that's almost impossible

for the average worker to comprehend.

PRIME MINISTER:

It's about $600 million saved over a period of 18 months. And

this is taking money back from people who are never entitled to

it. And let me make it clear also that we estimate that we'll

be collecting an additional $200 million over the next two years

from some very wealthy people in Australia who haven't been

paying their fair share over the past few years and we've made

no apology.

JONES:

Do multi-nationals pay their fair share of tax?

PRIME MINISTER:

I believe multi-nationals pay according to the law, but if they're

not we'll make sure they do.

JONES:

But should the law be changed to make sure that they pay tax at.....

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, one of the things that we are going to examine, Alan, in

the course of taxation reform is the operation of the law in all

areas of taxation to ensure that people who are now exploiting the

existing law can no longer do so. So I want to say to you and to

other people who are concerned about that, that we are in the business

of making sure that everybody pays their fair share. If that happened

we'd all pay less.

JONES:

The Gold Card you announced last night was extended to world war

II veterans and they become eligible at 70 years of age for free

treatment, choice of doctor, optical, dental, physio, no Medicare

levy and so on. Korean veterans and Vietnam veterans fought in the

theatre of war as well, some of them many never get to 70 because

they fought wars based on chemical weaponry. Why have they been

excluded?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, they haven't been excluded, they haven't, let me

put it this way, what we've done with world War II veterans

is what we did with World War I veterans and that is about 55 years

after the end of the war in which they served we decided to extend

this benefit. Now obviously we'll be looking in future at the

position of Korean and Vietnam veterans.

JONES:

Some of these blokes with agent orange may never get to 70.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, Alan, as it happened many of the diggers of World War I because

of the effects of gas and shell shock and diggers from World War

II because of the enormous strain they suffered didn't live

terribly long after they returned either. Now we've been very

very compassionate and sympathetic with veterans and we'll

obviously keep their position very much in mind.

JONES:

Okay. Self funded retirees?

PRIME MINISTER:

Very good Budget for them. A quarter of a million self funded retirees,

additional self funded retirees, will now get the Commonwealth Health

Card which gives you the same benefits and access to pharmaceuticals

as pensioners get and the income limits are very generous. For an

individual $40,000 a year...

JONES:

That's up from $21,000?

PRIME MINISTER:

Up from $21,000, and for couples $67,000 a year....

JONES:

Right so.....

PRIME MINISTER:

So all the self funded retirees listening who are under those limits

will be entitled.

JONES:

So they don't pay $3.20 for their pharmaceuticals.......

PRIME MINISTER:

That's right from the 1st of January.

JONES:

But after 52 they'll get the rest free of charge.

PRIME MINISTER:

Exactly and that's the same benefit as applies to pensioners

and there are a lot of people in that category who said to me over

the years that we've worked hard all our lives, we been thrifty

enough to accumulate enough to look after ourselves and yet we get

blocked and we are denied access to many of the benefits that are

available to others. Now we have found it possible in this Budget

to respond to that, I think quite legitimate concern, you're

talking here about a generation of people who were thrifty....

JONES:

Absolutely.

PRIME MINISTER:

.....who believe in the value of saving....

JONES:

Absolutely, that's what everyone says.

PRIME MINISTER:

....and feel rather resentful that because they are not a burden

on the tax payer.....

JONES:

Yes, plus low interest rates knock them around

PRIME MINISTER:

Low interest rates does them a disservice I understand that and

one of the dilemma's of low interest rates is great if you

are a borrower.....

JONES:

Yeah, that's it.

PRIME MINISTER:

.....it's not so flash if you're a lender. And that's

why we have been very careful, not only to give them a tax break

in relation to the same rebate as is available to pensioners but

also to give this very significant concession in relation to the

Seniors Health card.

JONES:

If an employer, a businessman, an entrepreneur in Perth or Adelaide

or Melbourne or Sydney today was opening a brand new business and

employing 450 people, you would be there, Kim Beazley would be there.

It would be a great triumph because it would be a tremendous fillip

for the community. But every time a hotel opens, that's exactly

what's happening. There are jobs for 450, up to 1000 people.

We have only got 1 percent of world tourism. Are we doing enough

to really sell Australia, forget Asia where we've got a problem

at the moment, to the rest of the world in a tourist sense?

PRIME MINISTER:

I think we are. We are putting a lot more money into tourist promotion

this year including domestic tourist promotion. One of the interesting

things, Alan, about the tourist figures is that although there has

been a significant fall from some of the Asian countries, and that

was inevitable, there has been a quite significant increase in the

number of tourists coming from North America and Europe. Now I am

not saying it's enough to balance out the fall from Asia but

Australia is not just seen by Asians as being an attractive tourist

destination. Increasingly large numbers of Americans and Europeans

are seeing in Australia the attraction that a generation ago Australians

automatically saw in travelling to Europe.

JONES:

We've only got one percent of world tourism. For God's

sake, if we can double that, wouldn't we be looking...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well we would and one of the reasons we want a reformed the industrial

relations system is to give to small business operators in the tourist

industry a greater amount of flexibility and I mean, all of the

reforms that we are making in that area which make it easier to

employ people and encourage people to make bargains at a workplace

level, all of that will aid and assist the tourist industry in this

country.

JONES:

It wouldn't be an interview with the Prime Minister if I didn't

raise yet again the health care question. I am astounded, I noticed

that you fully indexed the payments to the GPs but the rationale

is that you are wanting more GPs to more bulk bill. I thought bulk

billing was the problem of the health care system.

PRIME MINISTER:

No I don't think it's the problem. I think one of the

biggest problems of the health care system...

JONES:

What, people going in 50 times a day to see a doctor and getting...

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Alan, abuse is always a problem and I don't think the

level of remuneration is now such that the abuse that people quite

properly...

JONES:

I'm not blaming the doctor...

PRIME MINISTER:

No no, but that is an element but it's a mistake, and I say

this Alan, and it wouldn't be an interview if you ask me, that's

fair enough, but it's a mistake to see the problem with the

Australian health system as being a problem of just over expenditure.

In fact, the aggregate expenditure on health in Australia, both

public and private, compares quite favourably with a lot of other

countries. It's really the balance between public and private.

JONES:

But we don't have a policy for good health. We've only

got a policy for bad health.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, no I don't agree with that. The health care in this country

is very good. Our doctors are splendid, our nurses are very good.

JONES:

Look, I could eat a lot of pies and drink a lot of grog and go

on the turps and I get sick. Someone will look after me for nothing.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I think everybody has a self-interest in not doing all of those

things. Certainly, not to an extent. We all do it occasionally in

moderation, don't we.

JONES:

I'm pleased to hear you are not completely methodist.

PRIME MINISTER:

Not totally!

JONES:

Just one final thing, and we've only got a minute to go. Why

has the Treasurer not undertaken, in terms of tax reform, any large

scale study of the debits tax. My understanding is that he has advised

the tax taskforce not to consider any proposals right into that.

PRIME MINISTER:

Earlier governments have looked at that including the Government

into which I was Treasurer and Alan, it won't work. It was

temporarily tried in, I think Sri Lanka, about thirty years ago.

JONES:

When we talk about the Reserve Bank maintaining currency stability,

can you give our listeners any indication at what point would the

dollar go so low which would require intervention?

PRIME MINISTER:

As a golden rule, Treasurers, Prime Ministers and other people of

responsibility...

JONES:

Don't comment on the currency.

PRIME MINISTER:

They never comment on the currency. My stock answer when I was Treasurer

was, whatever the level was at the time the question was asked was

right.

JONES:

Well done. Thank you for your time and congratulations, a very significant

achievement in terms of attacking debt I am sure is welcomed by

all Australians.

PRIME MINISTER:

Thank you Alan.

ENDS

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