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Howard, John

Period of Service: 11/03/1996 - 03/12/2007
Release Date:
13/07/1998
Release Type:
Interview
Transcript ID:
10643
Released by:
  • Howard, John Winston
TRANSCRIPT OF THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP TELEVISION INTERVIEW TODAY SHOW — STEVE LIEBMANN

LIEBMANN:

With us in Canberra, Prime Minister, John Howard. Prime Minister,

good morning to you.

PRIME MINISTER:

Good morning and first of all can I congratulate France on its

magnificent World Cup win.

LIEBMANN:

You certainly can.

PRIME MINISTER:

And that win is about as good as you can get in soccer.

LIEBMANN:

It is. You didn't get a win of that proportion in the Senate

though at the weekend.

PRIME MINISTER:

No, would that if I could win by 3-0 in the Senate. No, I didn't.

LIEBMANN:

What do you do now?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well we put it back again because it's good policy. It's

good policy because if we can sell the rest of Telstra we can start

the 21st century virtually free of our national debt

and we can also have some extra money to pay for some much needed

additional communications services in rural Australia.

LIEBMANN:

There's a risk in putting it back, is there not, to the Senate?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well we have to try again and again with every piece of important

legislation. We've had one hand tied behind our back through

not having a majority in the Senate since the day we were elected

and we are used to initial disappointment with legislation. We tried

three times before we got Wik. We had months and months of negotiation

on the Industrial Relations Bill. We've tried again and again

in relation to other legislation, some of which we have got, some

of which we haven't. And people must understand that this is

one of the breaks on the Government they elected. But there's

nothing we can do about it except cheerfully persevere, which we

intend to do.

LIEBMANN:

Are you surprised Senator Colston voted the legislation down?

PRIME MINISTER:

I thought he might support us but he didn't tell us in advance

he was going to do so and I can't suggest for a moment that

he misled us. He kept his own counsel which he is entitled to do

as an Independent Senator and I have watched the gyrations of the

Senate for so long Steve that nothing entirely surprises me.

LIEBMANN:

We spoke to Senator Colston last night and asked him whether he

might change his mind. Have a look at this, this was his response.

[Taped Interview]

LIEBMANN:

Well Prime Minister, do you think you can persuade him to change

his mind or have you given up on him?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, we haven't given up, we'll keep trying. He said on

Saturday evening that he at this stage wouldn't support it.

We'll continue to address those concerns that he raised and

keep trying but it's not new for us to be in this situation

and we just don't intend to give up because this is a very

good policy for Australia and that's why we are pursuing it.

LIEBMANN:

Your alternative, of course, would be to go to the people at an

election, at a time of your calling and say to them: well now, if

you return us this is what we'll do, give us a mandate to do

it or don't give us a mandate.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Steve, that is the case if the legislation is not passed before

the election. And I want to make it clear that we will go to the

next election seeking the support of the public for the sale of

Telstra. It won't be the most important issue in the campaign,

I think taxation will be. And if we win the election we will put

the legislation back yet again and we'll ask the Senate to

pass it on the basis of the mandate the public has given us. We

don't intend to give up on this legislation because we want

Australia to have a debt-free 21st Century and we want

some additional funds to provide some improvements in telecommunications

for the bush.

LIEBMANN:

And in the meantime those initiatives you have already announced,

they're on the backburner?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well one of them is not on the backburner at all, that's the

one about the new digital mobile phone service because that's

being funded by Telstra. The other commitment in relation to untimed

local calls is in no different position than our commitment before

the last election to establish the Natural Heritage Trust out of

the sale of one-third of Telstra. So this thing still has a long

way to go. This was only round one. We're sorry we lost it

but we're use to this with the Senate because we don't

have the numbers.

LIEBMANN:

So Prime Minister, where does this leave your re-election plans

and where does it leave the financing of the tax package?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well it hasn't made any difference to the re-election plan

and it was always an error for people to believe that the sale of

the rest of Telstra was fundamental to the tax package. I don't

know where people got that idea from anymore than I know where,

do I know where people got the idea that we had a $5 billion fund

for the election campaign. I've never mentioned a figure of

$5 billion.

LIEBMANN:

But do you agree, in terms of re-election plans, if you're

going to put it back to the Senate there's no chance of an

election before October.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Steve, I haven't made up my mind when the election is.

Therefore the suggestion that Saturday night has altered our election

plan, there's no election plan to alter. We'll go to the

public at the right time. We don't have to go to the public

until after next year, but it's open to go earlier. Obviously

we'll release the tax package soon and that will of course

become the focus of enormous debate.

LIEBMANN:

On the question of the tax package, are you weakening on the question

of tax reform? I notice one suggestion for example in the Sydney

Morning Herald implies you are, certainly as far as the rate of

GST is concerned and the form.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I don't know what rate I'm meant to be weakening

from but I can tell you Steve......

LIEBMANN:

Well there's a suggestion you might be more inclined towards

about 8.5%.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well I have no intention whatever, of backing away from reforming

the tax system because I believe in Australia's interests,

for the good of Australia we need a fairer, and a better, and a

new taxation system. Now the Labor Party will oppose it, just as

they've been negative in the Senate, they'll be negative

about tax. I want to be positive. I think the Australian public

wants activity; it wants a bit of hope; it wants a road map for

the future; and one of the areas where that's desperately needed

is taxation reform.

LIEBMANN:

Okay, but if your plan at the moment is to resubmit the Telstra

legislation to the Senate and the Senate's not going to come

back until late August, does that then mean you're going to

delay releasing the detail in the tax reform package?

PRIME MINISTER:

Steve, what's happened in the Senate will make no material

impact on the timing of the release of the tax package. I'm

not saying what that is but I can....

LIEBMANN:

John Fahey says it's imminent.

PRIME MINISTER:

Well, well you can say imminent, quite soon, fairly soon, not too

long.

LIEBMANN:

Well you tell, when?

PRIME MINISTER:

No, because I haven't finally decided.

LIEBMANN:

Okay.

PRIME MINISTER:

I mean what you do with something like this is you get it all completely

in apple pie order, and we're quite close to that, and then

you decide when you're going to release it. It won't be

too long but I think people have wrongly reacted to the defeat of

the legislation on Saturday night. A setback, a disappointment,

but certainly not a disaster and something that we'll try again

because it's good policy for Australia. That's why we're

going to try again.

LIEBMANN:

And you've resumed talks with Senator Colsten?

PRIME MINISTER:

Well Senator Alston will talk to him and I hope that he may

be able to respond to his concerns.

LIEBMANN:

Okay. Prime Minister thanks for your time. Good seeing you again.

PRIME MINISTER:

It's a great pleasure.

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